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This is my concern - they are starting with a motive and the DPRK and then working backwards to fit the evidence in. Everybody seems to have forgotten that thi
by nikcub 12y ago
This is my concern - they are starting with a motive and the DPRK and then working backwards to fit the evidence in.
Everybody seems to have forgotten that this started as a financial ransom demand and the attackers made no mention of the movie or the DPRK until Sony and the media did.
I'm not suggesting the DPRK are not involved, but that it is a very big leap to go from media speculating about motives to the US government formally accusing them. The details leaked to the NyTimes do not substantiate this leap.
- xnull2guest 12y agoIt's certainly true that a ransom was demanded first, giving Sony a few days to respond, and then only after the compromise was completed were demands made to remove 'The Interview'. It truly is difficult to attribute and only with more evidence and a more careful analysis of timeline, the malware, and the communications will things come into focus. One thing I have not yet been able to find are numbers for the ransom. I've seen the emails demanding ransom and the defacings demanding the same, but nowhere have I seen a number of dollars being demanded. Have you seen that anywhere?
- marincounty 12y agoPlus, would terrorists offer an opt out(for personal information) for rank and file Sony personnel?
- xnull2guest 12y agoWhoa. Terrorists? Which terrorists? What terrorism are you talking about?
- SEJeff 12y agoThanks to our favorite president GW Bush, any computer hacking is considered "terrorism" and has similar consequences just like real terrorism such as ISIL or Al Qaida: http://www.securityfocus.com/news/257 http://www.securityfocus.com/news/257
- xnull2guest 12y agoI would suggest that even ISIL isn't a terrorist group, at least in the same sense that the word terrorism has been used throughout the past 100 years. ISIL represents 30k mobilized personel, are made up of a huge number of disparate factions (some fighting for a three state solution - which would actually be a great improvement in the organization of the middle east, whose lines right now were drawn by the British and have nothing to do with historical or cultural boundaries), are fighting with traditional armies with traditional warfare weaponry and because they are fighting for political change in a state where authoritarian governments with financial and political ties to outside nations has limited how much they can represent their people. ISIL to me, if I use textbook comparisons, looks more like an grassroots insurgent army fighting for political representation. Re: computer hacking considered "terrorism" - this represents yet another way "terrorism" no longer means the despicable act it was originally associated with. And doesn't that make the "War on Terror" also a "War on Hacking"? How the hell are we going to win a war on hacking? I do hope that the OP was not using the GW Bush administration definition of terrorism...
- deciplex 12y agoAny action that results in rich assholes losing a bit of money or potentially losing a bit of money falls under the umbrella of terrorism now, or 'economic terrorism' if you will. So copyright infringement and of course any form of organized protest fit the bill, along with hacking a Japanese company with offices in the US. You can try to fight the total annihilation of meaning in our language, but as you see here it is a losing battle.
- xnull2guest 12y agoOh my. This is a derailment of the thread but here are some (political) words off the top of my head having been annihilated recently: terrorism socialism marxism hero capitalism free market invisible hand imminent torture collect to brief espionage surveillance privacy freedom search