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I get the feeling that theres a bunch of black hat guys with no affiliation to Korea snickering to themselves right now.

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danielweber 12y ago
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/18/world/asia/us-links-north-korea-to-sony-hacking.html?smid=tw-share http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/18/world/asia/us-links-north-...
- baddox 12y ago
  Except that when you read the article, you find that the opposite is true.
  - nickthemagicman 12y ago
    "It is not clear how the United States determined that Mr. Kim’s government had played a central role in the Sony attacks. " I really don't think North Korea has the sophistication to do this. This is perfect explanation: http://marcrogers.org/2014/12/18/why-the-sony-hack-is-unlikely-to-be-the-work-of-north-korea/ http://marcrogers.org/2014/12/18/why-the-sony-hack-is-unlike...
uxp 12y ago
I've honestly thought from the very beginning that the hackers had absolutely zero ties to the DPRK. Early on when people were curious on who did this and there was very little communication from the perpetrators I feel that the the only ties to North Korea was the speculation between the release date of the movie and the general speculation of Chinese and N. Korean IP addresses being increasingly prevalent in network attacks in recent years. I think the hackers glommed on to this speculation and are using it to increase the damage by playing on their (and our) fears.
- jszymborski 12y ago
  Never considered that, but I think this is the only explanation.
phaus 12y ago
Seriously though, Guardians of Peace is a name that could have only come from someone that's fanatical or someone that's got a great fucking sense of humor.
personZ 12y ago
It's interesting how so many on HN are making such pronouncements, and if they've made them once, their commitment to that line just gets more and more aggressive with each comment. But seriously, on the matter of motivations -- you're a "black hat" and you decide to screw with Sony. Fun enough, really. If you're something less than mentally incompetent, though, are you then going to threaten literal terrorism? Do you really want to draw the intense attention of very, very well resourced organizations? If the North Korea angle seems weak, the notion that "random hackers" (the term so commonly used) are doing this for the lulz seems even less likely. There is a line where your probability of remaining unincarcerated drops dramatically. Somewhere in between are groups who will do things for money -- where the immense risks and operational costs can be made worthwhile. North Korea has the ability to sponsor such groups.
- jonah 12y ago
  What's the motivation behind this hack? Money from blackmail? Identity theft? Don't like the gist of the movie? or?
  - CamperBob2 12y ago
    One of the reasons why it's so tough to figure out who was responsible for the hack is that a vast number of people dislike Sony.
  - personZ 12y ago
    As unbelievable as many on here seem to find this, North Korea was making threats regarding this movie many months ago. Long before this hack. http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-28014069 http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-28014069 North Korea was bizarrely sensitive about this movie, and made actual, military threats regarding it. One of the reasons, I think, that makes so many discount the North Korea angle is the belief that such would be so contrary to normal human behavior. Yet the NK leadership seems to exist in some sort of bizarro world where these sorts of actions are fine.
shazzdeeds 12y ago
Doubtful in this scenario that they would take it as far as to threaten physical violence. That would up the anty involving law enforcement if Sony were to call out their bluff. The threat is most likely real.

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danielweber 12y ago

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/18/world/asia/us-links-north-korea-to-sony-hacking.html?smid=tw-share http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/18/world/asia/us-links-north-...

baddox 12y ago
Except that when you read the article, you find that the opposite is true.
- nickthemagicman 12y ago
  "It is not clear how the United States determined that Mr. Kim’s government had played a central role in the Sony attacks. " I really don't think North Korea has the sophistication to do this. This is perfect explanation: http://marcrogers.org/2014/12/18/why-the-sony-hack-is-unlikely-to-be-the-work-of-north-korea/ http://marcrogers.org/2014/12/18/why-the-sony-hack-is-unlike...

uxp 12y ago

I've honestly thought from the very beginning that the hackers had absolutely zero ties to the DPRK. Early on when people were curious on who did this and there was very little communication from the perpetrators I feel that the the only ties to North Korea was the speculation between the release date of the movie and the general speculation of Chinese and N. Korean IP addresses being increasingly prevalent in network attacks in recent years. I think the hackers glommed on to this speculation and are using it to increase the damage by playing on their (and our) fears.

jszymborski 12y ago
Never considered that, but I think this is the only explanation.

phaus 12y ago

Seriously though, Guardians of Peace is a name that could have only come from someone that's fanatical or someone that's got a great fucking sense of humor.

personZ 12y ago

It's interesting how so many on HN are making such pronouncements, and if they've made them once, their commitment to that line just gets more and more aggressive with each comment. But seriously, on the matter of motivations -- you're a "black hat" and you decide to screw with Sony. Fun enough, really. If you're something less than mentally incompetent, though, are you then going to threaten literal terrorism? Do you really want to draw the intense attention of very, very well resourced organizations? If the North Korea angle seems weak, the notion that "random hackers" (the term so commonly used) are doing this for the lulz seems even less likely. There is a line where your probability of remaining unincarcerated drops dramatically. Somewhere in between are groups who will do things for money -- where the immense risks and operational costs can be made worthwhile. North Korea has the ability to sponsor such groups.

jonah 12y ago
What's the motivation behind this hack? Money from blackmail? Identity theft? Don't like the gist of the movie? or?
- CamperBob2 12y ago
  One of the reasons why it's so tough to figure out who was responsible for the hack is that a vast number of people dislike Sony.
- personZ 12y ago
  As unbelievable as many on here seem to find this, North Korea was making threats regarding this movie many months ago. Long before this hack. http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-28014069 http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-28014069 North Korea was bizarrely sensitive about this movie, and made actual, military threats regarding it. One of the reasons, I think, that makes so many discount the North Korea angle is the belief that such would be so contrary to normal human behavior. Yet the NK leadership seems to exist in some sort of bizarro world where these sorts of actions are fine.

shazzdeeds 12y ago

Doubtful in this scenario that they would take it as far as to threaten physical violence. That would up the anty involving law enforcement if Sony were to call out their bluff. The threat is most likely real.