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Would Google use their influence to kill a competitor for the own benefit? Definitely. They have a pattern of going against their own rules, their users' intere
by wmeredith 12y ago
Would Google use their influence to kill a competitor for the own benefit? Definitely. They have a pattern of going against their own rules, their users' interests, and even the law when they stand to gain. To say this situation is any different in the absence of hard evidence, would be naive. (Edit, OP provided the aforementioned evidence that Google did have a competitive reason to do this.)
They have a rich history of stomping on little guys as well as being a masterclass in the, "do what I say, not what I do" sort of hypocrisy that always seems to come from those with great power. In my eyes, they've long lost the benefit of the doubt when it comes to matters like this. Google holds a lot of utility for me and I use their products daily, but I hold no illusions as to their predatory nature.
1) Google has claimed non-existent partnerships with their competitors in direct marketing of a competing product. They were literally calling their competitor's customers on the phone, saying they were a partner of the competing company, and hard selling that company's customers to sign up for their product.[1]
2) Google has the honor of receiving the largest civil penalty the Federal Trade Commission has ever imposed for overriding their user's privacy settings in Apple's Safari browser.[2] For some perspective: this fine was 0.1 percent of Larry Page's net worth, or what Google takes in over the course of about 5 hours.
3) Google search makes a regular habit of scraping other web sites and displaying ads against the content, something explicitly banned by their ToS for Adwords users.[3]
4) Google search also regularly shows upwards of 75% ads on a page. For instance, a search for "Kansas City real estate" returns you nine ads and three organic search results when viewed on a 2560 x 1440 screen[4] (15" MacBook Pro). This is explicitly against their policy, "Publishers should avoid site layouts in which the ads push content below the fold. These layouts make it hard for users to distinguish between the content and ads."[5] This also violates their add limit per page[6] laid out in their ToS.
5) This might be my favorite. If you Google "Scraper Site" they will actually scrape the explanation of the term from Wikipedia and serve up for you[7].
This what I could put together in about 20 minutes. Doing anything more than cursory research on this subject will leave with a very bad taste in your mouth about Google as a steward of the world's information. From convenient banning stories like this to lying about the data they collect in the first place and then lying about how long they keep it.
[1]http://business-ethics.com/2012/08/14/10058-is-22-5-million-dollars-a-big-enough-penalty-for-google/ http://business-ethics.com/2012/08/14/10058-is-22-5-million-...
[2]http://imgur.com/RjiKmOy http://imgur.com/RjiKmOy
[3]http://imgur.com/ehIAsOa http://imgur.com/ehIAsOa
[4]https://support.google.com/adsense/answer/1346295?hl=en#Difficult_to_distinguish_ads_and_content https://support.google.com/adsense/answer/1346295?hl=en#Diff...
[5]https://support.google.com/adsense/answer/1346295?hl=en#Ad_limit_per_page https://support.google.com/adsense/answer/1346295?hl=en#Ad_l...
[6]http://www.searchenginejournal.com/google-misuses-mocality-database/38789/ http://www.searchenginejournal.com/google-misuses-mocality-d...
[7]http://searchengineland.com/google-scraper-tweet-185684 http://searchengineland.com/google-scraper-tweet-185684
- tptacek 12y agoYou seem more sure about this than the principal of the impacted company, who seems to have commented downthread. A top comment from the last thread about this story: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4755386 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4755386 Another comment on that thread points out that Amazon also sanctioned them: http://techcrunch.com/2007/05/21/zlio-banned-from-amazon/ http://techcrunch.com/2007/05/21/zlio-banned-from-amazon/
- wmeredith 12y agoYep, they were spamming and deserved what they got. The point of my comment is that Google is not to be trusted at face value. They have lost that privilege. In this case, the company that got blacklisted screwed up and you can prove it by looking at their link profile. So Google did no wrong here in my eyes.
- sillysaurus3 12y agoOn the other hand, if I'd realized I'd be starting a Google hate train with my original comment, I wouldn't have commented. My question was strictly about this particular case. No company is perfect. There have been a few distasteful decisions from Google, but every company has had those. And besides, Google could be far more evil than it has been. We should probably give them the benefit of the doubt unless there is some strong evidence.
- wmeredith 12y ago>>Google could be far more evil than it has been. This is the bar they have to clear? Pretty low standards if you ask me.
- magicalist 12y agoYes, Google "scraping" search snippets (using wikipedia as an example even though it's CC-BY-SA!), which has been a feature of google forever and has been ruled as fair use on multiple occasions, is a much better standard.