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Presumably they wanted her to actually do the job, not just be the face of the job, so her skills beyond "being famous" would of course matter, like hiring anyb

by corin_ 12y ago

Presumably they wanted her to actually do the job, not just be the face of the job, so her skills beyond "being famous" would of course matter, like hiring anybody else. Of course that doesn't mean I agree with assuming that no qualifications means can't do the job, but that's unrelated to her being a celebrity (and indeed a commonly debated question with two big groups of people on both sides).

commandar 12y ago
>Gwyneth Paltrow had created a best-selling cookbook and popular lifestyle blog A contributing editor job is essentially a writing position. That strongly indicates that she could do the job.
- corin_ 12y ago
  I'm not arguing that she could (or couldn't), just that whether she could do the job was more than just "she's famous". Personally I fall in the camp of people who will judge on experience more than degrees, clearly Meyer is on the other side.
  - commandar 12y ago
    That's kind of the thing, though. Contributing editors are often brought in because of their notoriety. There's valuing a particular quality in an employee, and then there's being completely misguided in weighting that quality.
  - nerfhammer 12y ago
    Plenty of people could write as well as David Pogue, Nate Silver, Ezra Klein, etc., but the expectation is that those writers will bring the audience. They get seven figure salaries not because they can write articles really well, but that they can bring an audience wherever they go and create revenue worth what they're getting paid
tomp 12y ago
Given that a lot of web sales/pageviews has mainly to do with branding (i.e. the more famous you are, the more pageviews you get, making you even more famous), Paltrow's name (and the brand that it carries) is her doing her job.
- corin_ 12y ago
  It's her doing some of the job. Maybe it's big enough that if the rest of her time was spent sleeping it would still be worth hiring her. Maybe she'd be amazing at the rest of the job, regardless of qualifications. But if you're looking to hire someone to actually run something then being famous isn't enough on its own.
  - commandar 12y ago
    >But if you're looking to hire someone to actually run something then being famous isn't enough on its own. This is what I was touching on downthread and I guess wasn't entirely clear: a contributing editor doesn't run anything. They don't copy-edit other writers' work. They don't manage anyone. They don't touch anything related to the business backend. It's a prestige title given to writers that generate an audience. That's it.
    - corin_ 12y ago
      So is your (and others) assumption that Mayer was literally making a decision based on no logic at all? The reason I made my point was that judging someone based on not having a degree can be considered foolish, judging someone on not having a degree where a degree couldn't even be related isn't foolish it's just nonsense - so I gave Mayer the benefit of the doubt. But maybe I was wrong to?
      - commandar 12y ago
        That's exactly why that anecdote has gotten an incredulous reaction. If it's accurate that the position was for a contributing editor for a food blog, caring about a degree is completely nonsensical. It's certainly possible that the story is inaccurate, but it seems to have been included in the article as an intentional example of bizarre decision making.
colechristensen 12y ago
Paltrow is 42. Basing hiring decisions for middle aged persons on their college record is incredibly foolish.
- danielweber 12y ago
  Mayer is 39. She probably doesn't think she's middle-aged (even if she is, and if she is, I don't want to hear about it either ;> ).
phaus 12y ago
>Presumably they wanted her to actually do the job, not just be the face of the job, so her skills beyond "being famous" would of course matter, like hiring anybody else. They were thinking about having her write/create content for yahoo. She has already successfully produced content for a long time on her blog. She was completely qualified for the job, but Mayer found a bullshit excuse not to hire her because she simply doesn't like Paltrow.
smacktoward 12y ago
Paltrow already runs a web/email publication (Goop: http://goop.com/ http://goop.com/) that's pretty successful. That's why Yahoo was interested in her. Her celebrity status helps, I'm sure, but it's not like they were hiring a clueless airhead to be the public face put on someone else's work.

by corin_ 12y ago

commandar 12y ago

>Gwyneth Paltrow had created a best-selling cookbook and popular lifestyle blog A contributing editor job is essentially a writing position. That strongly indicates that she could do the job.

corin_ 12y ago
I'm not arguing that she could (or couldn't), just that whether she could do the job was more than just "she's famous". Personally I fall in the camp of people who will judge on experience more than degrees, clearly Meyer is on the other side.
- commandar 12y ago
  That's kind of the thing, though. Contributing editors are often brought in because of their notoriety. There's valuing a particular quality in an employee, and then there's being completely misguided in weighting that quality.
- nerfhammer 12y ago
  Plenty of people could write as well as David Pogue, Nate Silver, Ezra Klein, etc., but the expectation is that those writers will bring the audience. They get seven figure salaries not because they can write articles really well, but that they can bring an audience wherever they go and create revenue worth what they're getting paid

tomp 12y ago

Given that a lot of web sales/pageviews has mainly to do with branding (i.e. the more famous you are, the more pageviews you get, making you even more famous), Paltrow's name (and the brand that it carries) is her doing her job.

corin_ 12y ago
It's her doing some of the job. Maybe it's big enough that if the rest of her time was spent sleeping it would still be worth hiring her. Maybe she'd be amazing at the rest of the job, regardless of qualifications. But if you're looking to hire someone to actually run something then being famous isn't enough on its own.
- commandar 12y ago
  >But if you're looking to hire someone to actually run something then being famous isn't enough on its own. This is what I was touching on downthread and I guess wasn't entirely clear: a contributing editor doesn't run anything. They don't copy-edit other writers' work. They don't manage anyone. They don't touch anything related to the business backend. It's a prestige title given to writers that generate an audience. That's it.
  - corin_ 12y ago
    So is your (and others) assumption that Mayer was literally making a decision based on no logic at all? The reason I made my point was that judging someone based on not having a degree can be considered foolish, judging someone on not having a degree where a degree couldn't even be related isn't foolish it's just nonsense - so I gave Mayer the benefit of the doubt. But maybe I was wrong to?
    - commandar 12y ago
      That's exactly why that anecdote has gotten an incredulous reaction. If it's accurate that the position was for a contributing editor for a food blog, caring about a degree is completely nonsensical. It's certainly possible that the story is inaccurate, but it seems to have been included in the article as an intentional example of bizarre decision making.

colechristensen 12y ago

Paltrow is 42. Basing hiring decisions for middle aged persons on their college record is incredibly foolish.

danielweber 12y ago
Mayer is 39. She probably doesn't think she's middle-aged (even if she is, and if she is, I don't want to hear about it either ;> ).

phaus 12y ago

>Presumably they wanted her to actually do the job, not just be the face of the job, so her skills beyond "being famous" would of course matter, like hiring anybody else. They were thinking about having her write/create content for yahoo. She has already successfully produced content for a long time on her blog. She was completely qualified for the job, but Mayer found a bullshit excuse not to hire her because she simply doesn't like Paltrow.

smacktoward 12y ago

Paltrow already runs a web/email publication (Goop: http://goop.com/ http://goop.com/) that's pretty successful. That's why Yahoo was interested in her. Her celebrity status helps, I'm sure, but it's not like they were hiring a clueless airhead to be the public face put on someone else's work.