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> Take the UVA rape case. This sort of thing happens often By "this sort of thing" you mean the violent premeditated (large) gang rape of a sober, unwilling vi
by glenra 12y ago
> Take the UVA rape case. This sort of thing happens often
By "this sort of thing" you mean the violent premeditated (large) gang rape of a sober, unwilling victim as part of an official fraternity event? No, that does NOT happen often. It seems unlikely that it has ever happened even once outside of fictional stories. Which is exactly what made the claim newsworthy.
Think about the situation described - it implies that 9 (nine!) young men with everything to lose conspired to commit a felony act that could ruin all of them if discovered and believed - an act easily traceable back to them - and then released the victim knowing that nobody would ever believe her word over theirs AND knowing none of them would ever spill the beans.
This is a movie-plot threat.
The story is only plausible if you start out with the assumption that frat members are ALL an oddly incorruptible strain of pure mustache-twirling cartoon evil AND you also assume that "rape culture" values completely guarantee the woman wouldn't be taken seriously.
Whereas relaxing either assumption in favor of ordinary common sense renders the UVA story absurd.
> even though it's not clear that it has been refuted, only that she recalled some of the details incorrectly
She recalled ALL of the details incorrectly. Essentially every claim that could be checked has not borne out.
- codygman 12y agoJust in case you are also trying to claim that your statement of "It seems unlikely that it has ever happened even once outside of fictional stories" applies to "gang rapes of a sober unwilling victim" as well: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Delhi_gang_rape http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Delhi_gang_rape P.S. Gang rape of a non-sober unwilling[0] victim is still rape. 0: gang rape of a non-sober unwilling is redundant. You can't have a "gang rape of a non-sober willing victim". Your bias is crystal clear, and you should probably see a psychologist as you are likely a danger to those around you.
- glenra 12y ago> Just in case you are also trying to claim that your statement [...] applies to "gang rapes of a sober unwilling victim" as well I am assuredly not trying to claim that. The context of bros at an american college fraternity party was a necessary part of what made the claim an unbelievable (but newsworthy!) story. (But hey, feel free to respond to more things I didn't say with irrelevant links, if inventing claims and attributing them to other people is what floats your boat!) My chief crystal clear bias here is in favor of believing that most people who do terrible things that might result in large prison sentences don't want to get caught and this at least somewhat influences their behavior.
- dang 12y ago> you should probably see a psychologist as you are likely a danger to those around you Personal attacks are not allowed on Hacker News.