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First, congrats on the raising of funds! Last time I spoke with higher ups at Clever, it was mentioned that deep integrations were not on the roadmap (e.g. pus
by hashtree 12y ago
First, congrats on the raising of funds!
Last time I spoke with higher ups at Clever, it was mentioned that deep integrations were not on the roadmap (e.g. pushing into SISes like Infinite Campus for things like health, attendance, grades, etc). Some of that has to do with how the problem is being approached technically at Clever, IMO. While tackling student logins and thin system integrations is cool, are there yet plans to go deeper?
For a time, I had very seriously considered entering this particular space as a competitor, as I am referred to do integrations, where Clever falls short, for districts on an almost weekly basis (which I decline these days). As a competitor, it was my intention to include extremely deep/bi-directional integrations with all systems (including SISes, like Infinite Campus), purely horizontally scaling infrastructure, process/data isolation (security and privacy is a huge concern for districts), distributed processing so that data never need to leave local district data centers, taking functional/stream programming concepts to allow for fully customized integrations per-district built on the same base for each directional system integration, mock integrations for staff members to play with their rules, etc. It can all be done on a technical front (I did on a per-district basis, many times), but I eventually decided it wasn't a great fit for where I wanted to go in business.
I mention all this because I hope someone, perhaps you Clever (knowing you are HNers), addresses this huge need by the districts. So much energy is being spent on things that shouldn't be issues at all... It's a horrible joke that districts have to spend energy on unified login systems, but it is also a joke that moving grades/attendance back and forth between systems for state reporting, for instance. It is not something teachers should have to spend time on. Syncing of student accounts, teacher accounts, admin accounts, enrollments for each, courses, sections, permissions, grades, attendance, health, ILPs, RtI, etc.. it goes on and on. You have the funding and man-power to pull it off, I'd love to see it.
- hashtree 12y agoBTW, with deeper integrations... you open up some unique opportunities to solve big problems for districts: Done right, deep integrations mean you, in-effect, have a way to get to all data within a district (data warehouses go for six to eight figures and districts eat it up, as you know). The power of being able to get to data district-wide... You have that obvious route for analytics and reporting now, but what if you were to take the next step... ML/NLP/AI... you can do truly interesting work now. Measure teacher effectiveness, dropout prediction well before it occurs, academic achievement prediction to catch kids before teachers can (because you see the whole picture), recommending interventions that have worked for students in similar scenarios, etc. Now that's cool.
- robbiemitchell 12y ago"Recommending interventions" is a piece of what Knewton does. But we don't need PII or demographic data to do it. We are integrated with the digital course materials (Pearson, Houghton Mifflin Harcourt, Cengage, etc.) and work inside those products to provide real-time student recommendations, predictive analytics for teachers (intervene ahead of time), and content insights for publishers to change content or create more where it's needed most.
- billsossoon 12y agoThis is great stuff, but technically it seems to go pretty far beyond what Clever is achieving. The company's value seems to hinge more on positioning itself appropriately (establishing itself as the primary educational app store) rather than doing anything technically ambitious. From a business standpoint, this probably isn't a bad idea.