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Hopefully not ALL the mammals. New Zealand does have some native mammals. The short tailed bat [0] [0] http://www.doc.govt.nz/conservation/native-animals/bats/

by arfar 12y ago

Hopefully not ALL the mammals. New Zealand does have some native mammals. The short tailed bat [0] [0] http://www.doc.govt.nz/conservation/native-animals/bats/ http://www.doc.govt.nz/conservation/native-animals/bats/

derf_ 12y ago
I hear there are also about 4 and a half million homo sapiens there, though presumably they are an introduced species.
- zhte415 12y ago
  And 40 million sheep, though this is down from 70 million in 1982.
- danieltillett 12y ago
  This invasive species is slowly being relocated to Australia.
  - RowanH 12y ago
    ...they've started coming back.
    - tacticus 12y ago
      Thanks Tony?
  - pm 12y ago
    It would just be easier to reclassify NZ as Australian territory.
    - danieltillett 12y ago
      Being more serious NZ has the right to join as an Australian state when they want. It is really an historical accident that they never did.
      - pm 12y ago
        I couldn't imagine they'd want to do that after all this time.
        danieltillett 12y ago
        Australians and New Zealanders like to pretend that we are really different, but we are very similar. In reality we operate as a single country economically, but on the sporting field that we are two countries.
        disordinary 12y ago
        That is not reality at all, there is very close collaboration between the two countries but its like saying Canada and the US operate as a single country economically. There are also significant differences ideologically between the societies as a stereotype.
        danieltillett 12y ago
        New Zealand's economy maps closer to New South Wales' economy than NSW does to Western Australia's economy (these are Australian States). If you look on the back of any product for sale in Australia or New Zealand you will see they are made for both markets. Citizens from either country can go and work and live in either country without a visa. None of these apply to the USA and Canada. Politically New Zealand and Australia are different, but I think a lot of that difference is due to Australian federation and our electoral systems. If New Zealand were to join as an Australian state and use the Australian system of preferential voting (instant runoff) I think we would see a convergence in politics. I don't see New Zealand joining the Australian federation anytime soon, but if there was a desire it could happen pretty easily.
EdwardDiego 12y ago
A lot of people are also fond of the recreational hunting species (Red/fallow/sambar/rusa/sika/whitetail deer, chamois, tahr, goats, wild pigs, wild cattle... and maybe a tiny population of moose). They are controlled to some extent via the occasional cull, (and if they die as a result of the 1080 drops, DOC's official position is a shrug), but for the most part their numbers are kept low by recreational hunting, and economics... ...when deer population numbers get high, the animals become economically viable to harvest for meat by helicopter, so the WARO (Wild Animal Recovery Operation) flights take off, shoot all that they can, and then export it to Germany, who loves wild venison. The recreational hunters shake their fists at the helicopters, but it keeps the animal numbers at an acceptable level.
jordanthoms 12y ago
It's a bit of overstatement, but the general idea of getting rid of the invasive mammals would be great. A massive project though, getting rid of animals trying to survive is incredibly hard - one of my uncles worked on clearing Motuihe in the Auckland harbour, and they had a hell of a time with the rabbits - when threatened, they go into a 2-week breeding cycle, and were hiding in holes halfway down the cliffs!
timClicks 12y ago
There was a great Nerdnite talk about those bats not long ago http://auckland.nerdnite.com/2014/10/05/nerd-nite-auckland-chapter-21/ http://auckland.nerdnite.com/2014/10/05/nerd-nite-auckland-c...

by arfar 12y ago

derf_ 12y ago

I hear there are also about 4 and a half million homo sapiens there, though presumably they are an introduced species.

zhte415 12y ago
And 40 million sheep, though this is down from 70 million in 1982.
danieltillett 12y ago
This invasive species is slowly being relocated to Australia.
- RowanH 12y ago
  ...they've started coming back.
  - tacticus 12y ago
    Thanks Tony?
- pm 12y ago
  It would just be easier to reclassify NZ as Australian territory.
  - danieltillett 12y ago
    Being more serious NZ has the right to join as an Australian state when they want. It is really an historical accident that they never did.
    - pm 12y ago
      I couldn't imagine they'd want to do that after all this time.
      - danieltillett 12y ago
        Australians and New Zealanders like to pretend that we are really different, but we are very similar. In reality we operate as a single country economically, but on the sporting field that we are two countries.
        disordinary 12y ago
        That is not reality at all, there is very close collaboration between the two countries but its like saying Canada and the US operate as a single country economically. There are also significant differences ideologically between the societies as a stereotype.
        danieltillett 12y ago
        New Zealand's economy maps closer to New South Wales' economy than NSW does to Western Australia's economy (these are Australian States). If you look on the back of any product for sale in Australia or New Zealand you will see they are made for both markets. Citizens from either country can go and work and live in either country without a visa. None of these apply to the USA and Canada. Politically New Zealand and Australia are different, but I think a lot of that difference is due to Australian federation and our electoral systems. If New Zealand were to join as an Australian state and use the Australian system of preferential voting (instant runoff) I think we would see a convergence in politics. I don't see New Zealand joining the Australian federation anytime soon, but if there was a desire it could happen pretty easily.

EdwardDiego 12y ago

A lot of people are also fond of the recreational hunting species (Red/fallow/sambar/rusa/sika/whitetail deer, chamois, tahr, goats, wild pigs, wild cattle... and maybe a tiny population of moose). They are controlled to some extent via the occasional cull, (and if they die as a result of the 1080 drops, DOC's official position is a shrug), but for the most part their numbers are kept low by recreational hunting, and economics... ...when deer population numbers get high, the animals become economically viable to harvest for meat by helicopter, so the WARO (Wild Animal Recovery Operation) flights take off, shoot all that they can, and then export it to Germany, who loves wild venison. The recreational hunters shake their fists at the helicopters, but it keeps the animal numbers at an acceptable level.

jordanthoms 12y ago

It's a bit of overstatement, but the general idea of getting rid of the invasive mammals would be great. A massive project though, getting rid of animals trying to survive is incredibly hard - one of my uncles worked on clearing Motuihe in the Auckland harbour, and they had a hell of a time with the rabbits - when threatened, they go into a 2-week breeding cycle, and were hiding in holes halfway down the cliffs!

timClicks 12y ago

There was a great Nerdnite talk about those bats not long ago http://auckland.nerdnite.com/2014/10/05/nerd-nite-auckland-chapter-21/ http://auckland.nerdnite.com/2014/10/05/nerd-nite-auckland-c...