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> “Currently, those who use UberPop are not protected in case of an accident,” Well,the truth is,it's up to the driver to get insured properly. Which is a hug

by aikah 12y ago

> “Currently, those who use UberPop are not protected in case of an accident,” Well,the truth is,it's up to the driver to get insured properly. Which is a huge problem,since the proper insurance cost a lot of money.Most drivers using UberPop would just be violating the law here. At the same time,i'm pretty sure UberPop doesnt check if drivers follow all law requirements,because they wouldnt find enough drivers for the service.

draugadrotten 12y ago
> Well,the truth is,it's up to the driver to get insured properly. Which is a huge problem,since the proper insurance cost a lot of money.Most drivers using UberPop would just be violating the law here. Would this argument really fly in court if someone got hurt and sued UberPop? "yeah, well we expected the drivers would be insured, and we knew many of them didn't, and we never checked..." It sounds to me that it would be possible that the court would decide that uberPop would be legally responsible for the damages anyway. IANAL but European laws tends to put a lot of implied responsibilities on companies - compare warranties, health or environmental laws. Doesn't matter what the contract says, companies are responsible anyway.
- aikah 12y ago
  > It sounds to me that it would be possible that the court would decide that uberPop would be legally responsible for the damages anyway. That's an interesting perspective,but it would then imply some kind of boss/employee relationship between Uber and the drivers. Well,the french court could decide that Uber drivers are not contractors but employees ,too, we've seen that again and again in France. I do not wish for anybody to get hurt during a trip,of course,but it would be a very interesting case.
  - TazeTSchnitzel 12y ago
    Uber drivers are essentially employees, the whole contractor thing is a farce.
georgemcbay 12y ago
Same basic family of loopholes as Airbnb and other "sharing economy" services. Shift legal liability for regulation following to the end provider, ignore the fact that very many of your providers are almost certainly breaking laws and/or contracts (eg. leases) and hope nobody notices until you're big enough to be a difficult target. Seems to be a pretty effective model here in the US.
- anon1385 12y ago
  In the case of Uber it's not just the regulatory cost that is being pushed onto the drivers but the capital risk of vehicle purchase and maintenance as well.
  - wuliwong 12y ago
    As is the case for AirBnB. The capital risk of the hotel purchase and maintenance.
- agumonkey 12y ago
  Personally, this taught me that with time we all forgot what was provided by old platforms. It's a strange feeling. RyanAir for instance, provides 20$ air tickets... but you can't have more than 1 luggage, and you won't get served food, toilets aren't free, etc etc. Makes you realize that older companies prices aren't complete fluff, but we just forget what's included in their service. Until we need them. Same for new 'disruptive' startups. You don't pay as much as a Taxi, but it's a random guy, may have insurance, may know how to drive safely, etc etc.. Seems like ensuring all this features to be stable is what drove the cost high in the first place. Cycles.
  - Xylakant 12y ago
    In general I agree with your sentiment, but toilets are indeed free on ryanair flights.
    - agumonkey 12y ago

by aikah 12y ago

draugadrotten 12y ago

> Well,the truth is,it's up to the driver to get insured properly. Which is a huge problem,since the proper insurance cost a lot of money.Most drivers using UberPop would just be violating the law here. Would this argument really fly in court if someone got hurt and sued UberPop? "yeah, well we expected the drivers would be insured, and we knew many of them didn't, and we never checked..." It sounds to me that it would be possible that the court would decide that uberPop would be legally responsible for the damages anyway. IANAL but European laws tends to put a lot of implied responsibilities on companies - compare warranties, health or environmental laws. Doesn't matter what the contract says, companies are responsible anyway.

aikah 12y ago
> It sounds to me that it would be possible that the court would decide that uberPop would be legally responsible for the damages anyway. That's an interesting perspective,but it would then imply some kind of boss/employee relationship between Uber and the drivers. Well,the french court could decide that Uber drivers are not contractors but employees ,too, we've seen that again and again in France. I do not wish for anybody to get hurt during a trip,of course,but it would be a very interesting case.
- TazeTSchnitzel 12y ago
  Uber drivers are essentially employees, the whole contractor thing is a farce.

georgemcbay 12y ago

Same basic family of loopholes as Airbnb and other "sharing economy" services. Shift legal liability for regulation following to the end provider, ignore the fact that very many of your providers are almost certainly breaking laws and/or contracts (eg. leases) and hope nobody notices until you're big enough to be a difficult target. Seems to be a pretty effective model here in the US.

anon1385 12y ago
In the case of Uber it's not just the regulatory cost that is being pushed onto the drivers but the capital risk of vehicle purchase and maintenance as well.
- wuliwong 12y ago
  As is the case for AirBnB. The capital risk of the hotel purchase and maintenance.
agumonkey 12y ago
Personally, this taught me that with time we all forgot what was provided by old platforms. It's a strange feeling. RyanAir for instance, provides 20$ air tickets... but you can't have more than 1 luggage, and you won't get served food, toilets aren't free, etc etc. Makes you realize that older companies prices aren't complete fluff, but we just forget what's included in their service. Until we need them. Same for new 'disruptive' startups. You don't pay as much as a Taxi, but it's a random guy, may have insurance, may know how to drive safely, etc etc.. Seems like ensuring all this features to be stable is what drove the cost high in the first place. Cycles.
- Xylakant 12y ago
  In general I agree with your sentiment, but toilets are indeed free on ryanair flights.
  - agumonkey 12y ago