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If I ever strike it rich, I swear to god I'm donating $5,000,000 to the cause of reaching total feature parity between the best of R's packages and NumPy/SciPy.

IndianAstronaut 12y ago
Hadley Wikham's work has made the R environment much more tolerable and interesting. Because of it, R can be a pleasure to work with.
- weissguy 12y ago
  The battle between R and NumPy reminds me of the competition between American and Japanese auto manufacturers. Did American car companies successfully play QA catchup in the past 10 years? Probably, and God knows they needed to. Meanwhile, Japanese car manufacturers were building on 35 years of QA excellence the whole time. I would be far more excited about the possibilities created by a cornucopia of new stats/dataviz functionality built into Python than I would be about some packages that make R a bit less terrible to write.
  - hadley 12y ago
    The whole R sucks as a language thing is getting pretty old. There is some things that R is really good at, there are some things that Python is really good at. Just because R comes from a somewhat unusual ancestry (firmly rooted in functional programming with immutable data structures and generic function style OO) doesn't make it bad.
    - jzwinck 12y ago
      As recently as a few months ago, R used a form of "reference counting" which only allowed three values in the counter: 0, 1, and 2 [1]. This might be caused by unusual ancestry or it might not, but it's hard to stop saying R sucks when it does that in 2014. [1] http://stackoverflow.com/a/25384396/4323 http://stackoverflow.com/a/25384396/4323
      - hadley 12y ago
        It still does that. But it's an optimization for editing in place, not related to gc
    - joyofdata 12y ago
      Actually having lots of people complain about a programming language is a good indicator for that language doing well: - JavaScript - PHP - C++ - ... On that note, Hadley, R IS awesome and a large reason for that is your contribution to it! Thanks and keep up the good work!
      - hadley 12y ago
        Thanks!
otoburb 12y ago
If you strike it rich, would you like to hedge a bit by betting a percentage of the $5M donation on a promising horse in the race called Julia?
- _almosnow 12y ago
  I'd really like Julia to become the winner of that race. I've used everything but Octave (sorry Stallman :[) and coming from a CS background, no other language/platform made me feel more at home than Julia.
x0x0 12y ago
you are underestimating the price of that by at least an order of magnitude. That is one of the biggest reasons people like R. R also has the notion of NA, which is different than NaN, built into the language. The other huge reason for R adoption is it makes running stat analyses very simple, so for all the people who aren't programmers, and don't wish to be programmers, R is an awesome choice. The ability to, in 3 simple lines of R, load data from a csv, run a glm, and get a sophisticated report on the model is awesome.
- collyw 12y ago
  Excel is awesome in a similar way, no?

IndianAstronaut 12y ago

Hadley Wikham's work has made the R environment much more tolerable and interesting. Because of it, R can be a pleasure to work with.

weissguy 12y ago
The battle between R and NumPy reminds me of the competition between American and Japanese auto manufacturers. Did American car companies successfully play QA catchup in the past 10 years? Probably, and God knows they needed to. Meanwhile, Japanese car manufacturers were building on 35 years of QA excellence the whole time. I would be far more excited about the possibilities created by a cornucopia of new stats/dataviz functionality built into Python than I would be about some packages that make R a bit less terrible to write.
- hadley 12y ago
  The whole R sucks as a language thing is getting pretty old. There is some things that R is really good at, there are some things that Python is really good at. Just because R comes from a somewhat unusual ancestry (firmly rooted in functional programming with immutable data structures and generic function style OO) doesn't make it bad.
  - jzwinck 12y ago
    As recently as a few months ago, R used a form of "reference counting" which only allowed three values in the counter: 0, 1, and 2 [1]. This might be caused by unusual ancestry or it might not, but it's hard to stop saying R sucks when it does that in 2014. [1] http://stackoverflow.com/a/25384396/4323 http://stackoverflow.com/a/25384396/4323
    - hadley 12y ago
      It still does that. But it's an optimization for editing in place, not related to gc
  - joyofdata 12y ago
    Actually having lots of people complain about a programming language is a good indicator for that language doing well: - JavaScript - PHP - C++ - ... On that note, Hadley, R IS awesome and a large reason for that is your contribution to it! Thanks and keep up the good work!
    - hadley 12y ago
      Thanks!

otoburb 12y ago

If you strike it rich, would you like to hedge a bit by betting a percentage of the $5M donation on a promising horse in the race called Julia?

_almosnow 12y ago
I'd really like Julia to become the winner of that race. I've used everything but Octave (sorry Stallman :[) and coming from a CS background, no other language/platform made me feel more at home than Julia.

x0x0 12y ago

you are underestimating the price of that by at least an order of magnitude. That is one of the biggest reasons people like R. R also has the notion of NA, which is different than NaN, built into the language. The other huge reason for R adoption is it makes running stat analyses very simple, so for all the people who aren't programmers, and don't wish to be programmers, R is an awesome choice. The ability to, in 3 simple lines of R, load data from a csv, run a glm, and get a sophisticated report on the model is awesome.

collyw 12y ago
Excel is awesome in a similar way, no?