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by Fuzzwah 12y ago

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sillysaurus3 12y ago
Check out the history of LSD. It almost wasn't invented. They tested it on animals, and noticed "some level of disturbance" or some such, but nobody had any clue what the effects were, and nobody really cared. Then someone decided to try it on themselves. The only reason that was able to happen is because the legal and ethical restrictions were looser than they are today. In the meantime, several other such experiments have ended with the deaths of the chemists who decided to self-experiment. I remember reading about several specific chemists. I'll try to find them. Maybe someone else can point them out while I look. EDIT: I'm wrong.
- Alex3917 12y ago
  To the best of my knowledge there haven't been any deaths among chemists bioassaying new compounds for psychoactive potential. This isn't surprising, considering the vast majority of the 'new' research chemicals coming onto the market were first synthesized by the same 5 or 10, all of whom were/are very cautious and well educated. The closest I've heard of is the grad student who gave himself Parkinsons and later died while trying to make MPPP, but that was because he unknowingly messed up the synthesis and not because he was purposely experimenting with some new molecule.
  - lol123456 12y ago
    An alcohol maker doesn't have to be an alcoholic. More alcoholics die everyday than alcohol makers measured by numbers and percentages. 1 alcohol maker can probably support 1000 drunks everyday. The maker doesn't have to drink, just taste a tiny bit for quality assurance. In the same vein the chemists can never know about interaction effects.
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- krick 12y ago
  AFAIK, Hoffman didn't really "decide to try it on himself", but accidentally got some dose through his skin because of working without gloves and felt that something is not right. I don't remember where I got that — I guess it was his autobiography or something.
  - sehr 12y ago
    Can you imagine that bike ride home? Dude must have some mental fortitude. Basically took a thumbprint and walked it off
    - nemo1618 12y ago
      Hoffman's "Bicycle Day" dose was 0.25mg[1], whereas the mythical "thumbprint" dose is upwards of 1mg (perhaps substantially more)[2]. [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_lysergic_acid_diethylamide#.22Bicycle_Day.22 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_lysergic_acid_diethy... [2] http://insanebraintrain.blogspot.com/2011/07/massive-dosing-lsd-thumbprint.html http://insanebraintrain.blogspot.com/2011/07/massive-dosing-...
    - d23 12y ago
      Actually, I read the excerpt from a talk once that argued it was extremely unlikely that he actually ingested the LSD. It has some pretty interesting arguments: https://www.erowid.org/general/conferences/conference_mindstates4_nichols.shtml https://www.erowid.org/general/conferences/conference_mindst...
  - sillysaurus3 12y ago
    You're absolutely right. I screwed up in my recollection of that. The experiment wasn't intentional. It may be true that the legal restrictions were looser back then, but it had nothing to do with the discovery of LSD. My bad. It's interesting to realize that it did require human experimentation in order to discover, though. But maybe I'm flat out wrong about chemists dying through self-experimentation. Regardless, I'll start re-checking my sources before saying anything.
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lotsofmangos 12y ago
Well, Francis Bacon died of pneumonia, contracted while stuffing snow into a chicken as an experiment in refrigeration. It doesn't exactly count as he was experimenting on the chicken rather than himself, but it does sound as though drugs may have been involved.

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by Fuzzwah 12y ago

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Check out the history of LSD. It almost wasn't invented. They tested it on animals, and noticed "some level of disturbance" or some such, but nobody had any clue what the effects were, and nobody really cared. Then someone decided to try it on themselves. The only reason that was able to happen is because the legal and ethical restrictions were looser than they are today. In the meantime, several other such experiments have ended with the deaths of the chemists who decided to self-experiment. I remember reading about several specific chemists. I'll try to find them. Maybe someone else can point them out while I look. EDIT: I'm wrong.

Alex3917 12y ago
To the best of my knowledge there haven't been any deaths among chemists bioassaying new compounds for psychoactive potential. This isn't surprising, considering the vast majority of the 'new' research chemicals coming onto the market were first synthesized by the same 5 or 10, all of whom were/are very cautious and well educated. The closest I've heard of is the grad student who gave himself Parkinsons and later died while trying to make MPPP, but that was because he unknowingly messed up the synthesis and not because he was purposely experimenting with some new molecule.
- lol123456 12y ago
  An alcohol maker doesn't have to be an alcoholic. More alcoholics die everyday than alcohol makers measured by numbers and percentages. 1 alcohol maker can probably support 1000 drunks everyday. The maker doesn't have to drink, just taste a tiny bit for quality assurance. In the same vein the chemists can never know about interaction effects.
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krick 12y ago
AFAIK, Hoffman didn't really "decide to try it on himself", but accidentally got some dose through his skin because of working without gloves and felt that something is not right. I don't remember where I got that — I guess it was his autobiography or something.
- sehr 12y ago
  Can you imagine that bike ride home? Dude must have some mental fortitude. Basically took a thumbprint and walked it off
  - nemo1618 12y ago
    Hoffman's "Bicycle Day" dose was 0.25mg[1], whereas the mythical "thumbprint" dose is upwards of 1mg (perhaps substantially more)[2]. [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_lysergic_acid_diethylamide#.22Bicycle_Day.22 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_lysergic_acid_diethy... [2] http://insanebraintrain.blogspot.com/2011/07/massive-dosing-lsd-thumbprint.html http://insanebraintrain.blogspot.com/2011/07/massive-dosing-...
  - d23 12y ago
    Actually, I read the excerpt from a talk once that argued it was extremely unlikely that he actually ingested the LSD. It has some pretty interesting arguments: https://www.erowid.org/general/conferences/conference_mindstates4_nichols.shtml https://www.erowid.org/general/conferences/conference_mindst...
- sillysaurus3 12y ago
  You're absolutely right. I screwed up in my recollection of that. The experiment wasn't intentional. It may be true that the legal restrictions were looser back then, but it had nothing to do with the discovery of LSD. My bad. It's interesting to realize that it did require human experimentation in order to discover, though. But maybe I'm flat out wrong about chemists dying through self-experimentation. Regardless, I'll start re-checking my sources before saying anything.
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lotsofmangos 12y ago

Well, Francis Bacon died of pneumonia, contracted while stuffing snow into a chicken as an experiment in refrigeration. It doesn't exactly count as he was experimenting on the chicken rather than himself, but it does sound as though drugs may have been involved.