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I don't think fair use includes business presentations to small groups. http://www.ascap.com/licensing/termsdefined.aspx http://www.ascap.com/licensing/termsde

I don't think fair use includes business presentations to small groups. http://www.ascap.com/licensing/termsdefined.aspx http://www.ascap.com/licensing/termsdefined.aspx A public performance is one that occurs "in a place open to the public or at any place where a substantial number of persons outside of a normal circle of a family and its social acquaintances is gathered." A public performance also occurs when the performance is transmitted by means of any device or process (for example, via broadcast, telephone wire, or other means) to the public. In order to perform a copyrighted work publicly, the user must obtain performance rights from the copyright owner or his representative.

delinka 12y ago
Are the people I work with not "social acquaintances?" Perhaps not the entire company of 500, but certainly the group of a dozen or so I work with daily.
- xyclos 12y ago
  no, they are "professional acquaintances". I'm mostly being facetious here of course, but it certainly sounds to me like an argument a lawyer would make.
  - jchrome 12y ago
    So if my mom tortured me by blaring Skinny Puppy music for 12 hours straight they couldn't sue her?
    - jahewson 12y ago
      No, not for copyright infringement, and for any other kind of case they'd have no standing (i.e. they're not an affected party).
- rmc 12y ago
  Sure, the people you work with might be. But the person being tortured? I don't think they are "normal circle of a family and its social acquaintances".
- DanBC 12y ago
  Certainly in England the PRS (performing right society) will attempt to collect money to licence music if you're a small business playing music only to employees. http://www.prsformusic.com/users/businessesandliveevents/Pages/DoIneedalicence.aspx http://www.prsformusic.com/users/businessesandliveevents/Pag... Especially http://www.prsformusic.com/users/businessesandliveevents/Pages/PRSforMusicchargingpolicies.aspx#5 http://www.prsformusic.com/users/businessesandliveevents/Pag... > Workers/colleagues and/or customers/clients have been recognised by the courts as falling within the composer's ‘public’. Any person wishing either to play or to authorise the playing of our music to such individuals in the workplace - wherever that workplace is situated - should therefore obtain a music licence.
- lotsofmangos 12y ago
  No, they are colleagues. You didn't become acquainted with them socially, you became acquainted with them through work, and at work the reason for your continued acquaintance is commercial in nature.
- jahewson 12y ago
  No, because the actual phrase was "normal circle of a family and its social acquaintances". The people you work with are not part of your family's normal social aquaintances (ok, a handful of them may be). It's pretty clear that this phrase means your family and usual circle of friends who visit your family (semi-) regularly, i.e. normally. It does not mean the office party. Ask yourself this: if you quit your job, would your collegues still be normal aquaintances of your family? If not, then they are not social acquaintances.

delinka 12y ago

Are the people I work with not "social acquaintances?" Perhaps not the entire company of 500, but certainly the group of a dozen or so I work with daily.

xyclos 12y ago
no, they are "professional acquaintances". I'm mostly being facetious here of course, but it certainly sounds to me like an argument a lawyer would make.
- jchrome 12y ago
  So if my mom tortured me by blaring Skinny Puppy music for 12 hours straight they couldn't sue her?
  - jahewson 12y ago
    No, not for copyright infringement, and for any other kind of case they'd have no standing (i.e. they're not an affected party).
rmc 12y ago
Sure, the people you work with might be. But the person being tortured? I don't think they are "normal circle of a family and its social acquaintances".
DanBC 12y ago
Certainly in England the PRS (performing right society) will attempt to collect money to licence music if you're a small business playing music only to employees. http://www.prsformusic.com/users/businessesandliveevents/Pages/DoIneedalicence.aspx http://www.prsformusic.com/users/businessesandliveevents/Pag... Especially http://www.prsformusic.com/users/businessesandliveevents/Pages/PRSforMusicchargingpolicies.aspx#5 http://www.prsformusic.com/users/businessesandliveevents/Pag... > Workers/colleagues and/or customers/clients have been recognised by the courts as falling within the composer's ‘public’. Any person wishing either to play or to authorise the playing of our music to such individuals in the workplace - wherever that workplace is situated - should therefore obtain a music licence.
lotsofmangos 12y ago
No, they are colleagues. You didn't become acquainted with them socially, you became acquainted with them through work, and at work the reason for your continued acquaintance is commercial in nature.
jahewson 12y ago
No, because the actual phrase was "normal circle of a family and its social acquaintances". The people you work with are not part of your family's normal social aquaintances (ok, a handful of them may be). It's pretty clear that this phrase means your family and usual circle of friends who visit your family (semi-) regularly, i.e. normally. It does not mean the office party. Ask yourself this: if you quit your job, would your collegues still be normal aquaintances of your family? If not, then they are not social acquaintances.