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Secure Mail for Devs

58 points by DaGardner 12y ago

alistairjcbrown 12y ago
Looks interesting, but without more details on what you can configure or how much it will cost, it's hard to get excited.
- ins0 12y ago
  yes agree. a little bit more information would be nice
cache87 12y ago
Postfix when installed has pretty good defaults and works safely pretty much out of the box. Are people actually looking for third-parties like developermail when it's really not that hard?
- hibbelig 12y ago
  What about spam? What about antivirus? What about mail filtering rules?
  - aroch 12y ago
    Something like Sovereign[1] is your friend then [1] https://github.com/al3x/sovereign https://github.com/al3x/sovereign
TheHippo 12y ago
I find it really annoying if you have to watch a 1:20 minute video just to get a rough idea how their service works.
- 0x0 12y ago
  The entire video is simply a terminal session, not even doing any curses-like. Why not just paste the terminal session output in a <pre> block? Would have saved me 1:15. Also, bug report: If you seek to very close to the end, the timer shows 1:21 and keeps counting with nothing happening on the screen... I was wondering why he didn't hit enter after typing "ls matte" and let the timer run to 2 minutes...
BillFranklin 12y ago
I'd like some more info on the security side.
gortok 12y ago
It says secure, but I see no mention of encryption or legal protections that would make it so. If you're going to use the word 'secure', it has to mean more than "hosted in a country that is known to bow to the USA."
- sashk 12y ago
  Their FAQ mentions luks. I guess, their storage is encrypted.
  - andor 12y ago
    But how is it decrypted after booting? Is the service down until they login and mount the drives manually?
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adamrt 12y ago
While I agree with other posters that there could be a bit more information, I think the git based config is a pretty interesting approach. Nice work guy, look forward to seeing it a bit more fleshed out.
insertnickname 12y ago
>Our __bare-metal__ servers are located in Germany. I've seen this term used a lot recently to describe dedicated servers, even Leaseweb does it now. Someone please tell me why.
- rsync 12y ago
  They're saying that as opposed to virtual servers or server instances, they have actual physical servers.
- aroch 12y ago
  This isn't a recent term at all? Back in the 90's people were selling dedicated, unmanaged hardware as "bare metal" servers. Bare metal simply refers to the fact that they're handing you an assembled server only -- you need to install an OS and configure it.
javajosh 12y ago
"Hosted in Germany" is a good selling point, and that is incredibly sad to me. America has lost so much in just 15 years.
- okatsu 12y ago
  Is it a selling point with much substance, though? Genuinely curious. Seems to me that if the American government wanted your data for some reason, obtaining it from Germany wouldn't be so hard.
  - javajosh 12y ago
    I am not an expert on these matters, but I would imagine that the process for legally obtaining data from foreign countries is both more difficult and more public (a National Security Letter would have no teeth in Germany). Additionally, Germany has a better reputation (perhaps unearned?) for privacy rights, especially as the greatest pillar of the liberal EU, and because when the NSA bugged Merkel's cell phone they soured the intelligence relationship considerably.
    - junto 12y ago
      I live in Germany. It appears to me that the outrage from the government was largely theatre for the public, than serious. There is an election coming up.
- vonuebelgarten 12y ago
  I'm not German, but I understand Germany is very strong in the personal rights department and have a serious separation between government and state, which minimizes the influence of the gov-of-the-day on business matters -- maybe I'm wrong here (again: not German), but I understood Merkel's government freaking out about the possibility of Snowden asking asylum in Germany because, despite the governmental dislike, it was a State affair and they couldn't do nothing to prevent it if he reached German territory. Anyway, I feel Germany is a wonderful country and this kind of marketing is somewhat of a international recognition for that.
mattes 12y ago
Hey, Chris & Matt here. We are the guys behind developermail.io and we really appreciate all your comments and feedback! We are in a private beta phase at the moment and will be sending invitation keys to more people very soon. There were a lot of questions regarding security and privacy, so we preponed the release of the updated website. Please check it out and let us know what you think: developermail.io You can reach out to us at support@developermail.io also. Have a great week and thanks for your support! Chris & Matt
- mattes 12y ago
  We want to build an awesome product! Can you help us by taking the following survey: http://goo.gl/forms/KHp5BimFs6 http://goo.gl/forms/KHp5BimFs6 (takes ~3 minutes)

58 points by DaGardner 12y ago

Looks interesting, but without more details on what you can configure or how much it will cost, it's hard to get excited.

ins0 12y ago
yes agree. a little bit more information would be nice

cache87 12y ago

Postfix when installed has pretty good defaults and works safely pretty much out of the box. Are people actually looking for third-parties like developermail when it's really not that hard?

hibbelig 12y ago
What about spam? What about antivirus? What about mail filtering rules?
- aroch 12y ago
  Something like Sovereign[1] is your friend then [1] https://github.com/al3x/sovereign https://github.com/al3x/sovereign

TheHippo 12y ago

I find it really annoying if you have to watch a 1:20 minute video just to get a rough idea how their service works.

0x0 12y ago
The entire video is simply a terminal session, not even doing any curses-like. Why not just paste the terminal session output in a <pre> block? Would have saved me 1:15. Also, bug report: If you seek to very close to the end, the timer shows 1:21 and keeps counting with nothing happening on the screen... I was wondering why he didn't hit enter after typing "ls matte" and let the timer run to 2 minutes...

BillFranklin 12y ago

I'd like some more info on the security side.

gortok 12y ago

It says secure, but I see no mention of encryption or legal protections that would make it so. If you're going to use the word 'secure', it has to mean more than "hosted in a country that is known to bow to the USA."

sashk 12y ago
Their FAQ mentions luks. I guess, their storage is encrypted.
- andor 12y ago
  But how is it decrypted after booting? Is the service down until they login and mount the drives manually?

deleted 12y ago

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adamrt 12y ago

While I agree with other posters that there could be a bit more information, I think the git based config is a pretty interesting approach. Nice work guy, look forward to seeing it a bit more fleshed out.

insertnickname 12y ago

>Our __bare-metal__ servers are located in Germany. I've seen this term used a lot recently to describe dedicated servers, even Leaseweb does it now. Someone please tell me why.

rsync 12y ago
They're saying that as opposed to virtual servers or server instances, they have actual physical servers.
aroch 12y ago
This isn't a recent term at all? Back in the 90's people were selling dedicated, unmanaged hardware as "bare metal" servers. Bare metal simply refers to the fact that they're handing you an assembled server only -- you need to install an OS and configure it.

javajosh 12y ago

"Hosted in Germany" is a good selling point, and that is incredibly sad to me. America has lost so much in just 15 years.

okatsu 12y ago
Is it a selling point with much substance, though? Genuinely curious. Seems to me that if the American government wanted your data for some reason, obtaining it from Germany wouldn't be so hard.
- javajosh 12y ago
  I am not an expert on these matters, but I would imagine that the process for legally obtaining data from foreign countries is both more difficult and more public (a National Security Letter would have no teeth in Germany). Additionally, Germany has a better reputation (perhaps unearned?) for privacy rights, especially as the greatest pillar of the liberal EU, and because when the NSA bugged Merkel's cell phone they soured the intelligence relationship considerably.
  - junto 12y ago
    I live in Germany. It appears to me that the outrage from the government was largely theatre for the public, than serious. There is an election coming up.
vonuebelgarten 12y ago
I'm not German, but I understand Germany is very strong in the personal rights department and have a serious separation between government and state, which minimizes the influence of the gov-of-the-day on business matters -- maybe I'm wrong here (again: not German), but I understood Merkel's government freaking out about the possibility of Snowden asking asylum in Germany because, despite the governmental dislike, it was a State affair and they couldn't do nothing to prevent it if he reached German territory. Anyway, I feel Germany is a wonderful country and this kind of marketing is somewhat of a international recognition for that.

mattes 12y ago

Hey, Chris & Matt here. We are the guys behind developermail.io and we really appreciate all your comments and feedback! We are in a private beta phase at the moment and will be sending invitation keys to more people very soon. There were a lot of questions regarding security and privacy, so we preponed the release of the updated website. Please check it out and let us know what you think: developermail.io You can reach out to us at support@developermail.io also. Have a great week and thanks for your support! Chris & Matt

mattes 12y ago
We want to build an awesome product! Can you help us by taking the following survey: http://goo.gl/forms/KHp5BimFs6 http://goo.gl/forms/KHp5BimFs6 (takes ~3 minutes)