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The whole thing is goofy. Coffee and caffeine without carbohydrate elevate adrenaline and cortisol. The way to take coffee is with sugar or with a meal includin

The whole thing is goofy. Coffee and caffeine without carbohydrate elevate adrenaline and cortisol. The way to take coffee is with sugar or with a meal including starch. Eating butter and coffee alone is an unambiguously bad idea.

joelrunyon 12y ago
The goal of the drink is to stunt hunger and prolong the morning fat burning process. The sugar will spike your insulin levels and put a stop to that immediately.
- kyllo 12y ago
  Exactly. Fat has a lot of calories but it doesn't produce an insulin response and isn't digested nearly as quickly as carbohydrates, so it keeps you satiated. A dose of fat early in the morning will help keep you from feeling hunger pangs for a while.
  - TylerJay 12y ago
    Yup. It's the same idea as Seth Roberts' "Shangri-la Diet" where you drink a tbsp of olive oil or something first thing in the morning which supposedly reduces hunger the rest of the day.
    - abecedarius 12y ago
      In Roberts' theory it's crucial to avoid taste or smell at the same time, while the time of day you take it doesn't matter -- so this wouldn't be the same, unless you drank your coffee with a noseclip on. I wonder if anyone does that.
      - TylerJay 12y ago
        I don't know why this made me laugh so hard. Just the idea of all these bulletproofers chugging their coffee with bag-clips on their noses. Thanks for that.
        abecedarius 12y ago
        My pleasure! I'd like to try it myself (sans clip). I have tried tea with butter, but, well, it probably needed a more thorough blending.
  - imanaccount247 12y ago
    >Fat has a lot of calories but it doesn't produce an insulin response So? Why are people so fixated on insulin? >isn't digested nearly as quickly as carbohydrates, so it keeps you satiated And yet potatoes are the highest satiety food. The whole "fat is filling so you eat fewer calories and lose weight" thing is just a hypothesis that was put forth to explain why people eat fewer calories on low carb diets. It is not fact.
    - joelrunyon 12y ago
      Insulin is elevated when your blood sugar is elevated (which happens when you ingest simple carbs & sugars). When that happens, your body goes from it's fat burning mode (default state) to carb burning. Basically, insulin is elevated and your body starts storing the glucose as glycogen in your muscles. When those stores are full, then it stores the rest as fat. Maintaining normalized insulin levels keeps your body burning fat, which is a slower burning, preferred source of energy, but most people eat so many carbs that their body never relearns how to do it. This isn't rocket science, it's basic biology.
      - imanaccount247 12y ago
        >Insulin is elevated when your blood sugar is elevated Insulin is released when your blood sugar is elevated, yes. >When that happens, your body goes from it's fat burning mode (default state) to carb burning That is a complete misrepresentation of reality made by people pushing a fad diet. >When those stores are full, then it stores the rest as fat. So? What do you think it does with fat? >but most people eat so many carbs that their body never relearns how to do it. Your body does not forget how to burn fat, it does it all the time. >This isn't rocket science, it's basic biology. Yes it is. And it does not support this weird fixation on insulin. https://evolvinghealth.wordpress.com/2013/05/22/is-it-time-to-stop-blaming-insulin-for-fat-storage/comment-page-1/ https://evolvinghealth.wordpress.com/2013/05/22/is-it-time-t...
        joelrunyon 12y ago
        > >When that happens, your body goes from it's fat burning mode (default state) to carb burning > That is a complete misrepresentation of reality made by people pushing a fad diet. What's your understanding that happens then? >When those stores are full, then it stores the rest as fat. >So? What do you think it does with fat? For most people, it stores it as fat and does nothing because most people eat enough carbs (quick burning source of energy) to never have to switch to fat burning.
maxerickson 12y ago
So between obsessing over your coffee accompaniments and say, avoiding one stressful encounter per week, which is the better strategy? (Obviously "do both" is an answer, but the idea is not to pick the optimum strategy, it is to illustrate where people should direct their limited focus...)

joelrunyon 12y ago

The goal of the drink is to stunt hunger and prolong the morning fat burning process. The sugar will spike your insulin levels and put a stop to that immediately.

kyllo 12y ago
Exactly. Fat has a lot of calories but it doesn't produce an insulin response and isn't digested nearly as quickly as carbohydrates, so it keeps you satiated. A dose of fat early in the morning will help keep you from feeling hunger pangs for a while.
- TylerJay 12y ago
  Yup. It's the same idea as Seth Roberts' "Shangri-la Diet" where you drink a tbsp of olive oil or something first thing in the morning which supposedly reduces hunger the rest of the day.
  - abecedarius 12y ago
    In Roberts' theory it's crucial to avoid taste or smell at the same time, while the time of day you take it doesn't matter -- so this wouldn't be the same, unless you drank your coffee with a noseclip on. I wonder if anyone does that.
    - TylerJay 12y ago
      I don't know why this made me laugh so hard. Just the idea of all these bulletproofers chugging their coffee with bag-clips on their noses. Thanks for that.
      - abecedarius 12y ago
        My pleasure! I'd like to try it myself (sans clip). I have tried tea with butter, but, well, it probably needed a more thorough blending.
- imanaccount247 12y ago
  >Fat has a lot of calories but it doesn't produce an insulin response So? Why are people so fixated on insulin? >isn't digested nearly as quickly as carbohydrates, so it keeps you satiated And yet potatoes are the highest satiety food. The whole "fat is filling so you eat fewer calories and lose weight" thing is just a hypothesis that was put forth to explain why people eat fewer calories on low carb diets. It is not fact.
  - joelrunyon 12y ago
    Insulin is elevated when your blood sugar is elevated (which happens when you ingest simple carbs & sugars). When that happens, your body goes from it's fat burning mode (default state) to carb burning. Basically, insulin is elevated and your body starts storing the glucose as glycogen in your muscles. When those stores are full, then it stores the rest as fat. Maintaining normalized insulin levels keeps your body burning fat, which is a slower burning, preferred source of energy, but most people eat so many carbs that their body never relearns how to do it. This isn't rocket science, it's basic biology.
    - imanaccount247 12y ago
      >Insulin is elevated when your blood sugar is elevated Insulin is released when your blood sugar is elevated, yes. >When that happens, your body goes from it's fat burning mode (default state) to carb burning That is a complete misrepresentation of reality made by people pushing a fad diet. >When those stores are full, then it stores the rest as fat. So? What do you think it does with fat? >but most people eat so many carbs that their body never relearns how to do it. Your body does not forget how to burn fat, it does it all the time. >This isn't rocket science, it's basic biology. Yes it is. And it does not support this weird fixation on insulin. https://evolvinghealth.wordpress.com/2013/05/22/is-it-time-to-stop-blaming-insulin-for-fat-storage/comment-page-1/ https://evolvinghealth.wordpress.com/2013/05/22/is-it-time-t...
      - joelrunyon 12y ago
        > >When that happens, your body goes from it's fat burning mode (default state) to carb burning > That is a complete misrepresentation of reality made by people pushing a fad diet. What's your understanding that happens then? >When those stores are full, then it stores the rest as fat. >So? What do you think it does with fat? For most people, it stores it as fat and does nothing because most people eat enough carbs (quick burning source of energy) to never have to switch to fat burning.

maxerickson 12y ago

So between obsessing over your coffee accompaniments and say, avoiding one stressful encounter per week, which is the better strategy? (Obviously "do both" is an answer, but the idea is not to pick the optimum strategy, it is to illustrate where people should direct their limited focus...)