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So it is okay for a woman to say that women are better organized, that they have more empathy, but as a man I cannot claim that men are better hackers? I'm all

by arihant 12y ago

So it is okay for a woman to say that women are better organized, that they have more empathy, but as a man I cannot claim that men are better hackers? I'm all for equality, but every single time I read one of these articles, I seem to read everything but equality. Being a programmer is a job, a male dominated job, at least in 2014. There are a lot of fields where men work which are female dominated, like a chef, or interior design, or fashion, or a nanny, or a nurse. You don't see men throwing tantrums like this. And neither do great female programmers, they are busy making us feel stupid.

JamesArgo 12y ago
Most chefs are male - people don't care because its a low status job. Programming is now high status, so now this gender gap is an issue. As many feminists have "misogynistic conspiracy" as their default explanation for any differnces in outcome among genders, they're not in a very good epistemic position to judge these things. Unjust discrimination is economically counterproductive, I don't expect ruthless corporations to support such a conspiracy when defection is more profitable. Aside from blinded applications and maybe interviews, not much needs to be done. We are building businesses here, not collecting data for a census.
- pekk 12y ago
  Being rich, being a VC, being Mark Zuckerberg or Steve Jobs or Bill Gates is a lot of status, but despite popular assumptions, that doesn't really rub off on the programming equivalent of a line cook or plumber.
vacri 12y ago
No, I don't think it's okay to say that kind of generalisation and I think it's fine to object, but you should object in a straightfoward manner rather than a tit-for-tat whine. You don't see men throwing tantrums like this. I constantly see men throwing tantrums, whenever the vaguest whiff of even moderate feminism can be smelled. Also, where did you get the idea that chefs are predominantly women? Not to mention that chefs are famously reknowned for throwing tanties. Same with fashion/interior designers, male or female.

by arihant 12y ago

JamesArgo 12y ago

Most chefs are male - people don't care because its a low status job. Programming is now high status, so now this gender gap is an issue. As many feminists have "misogynistic conspiracy" as their default explanation for any differnces in outcome among genders, they're not in a very good epistemic position to judge these things. Unjust discrimination is economically counterproductive, I don't expect ruthless corporations to support such a conspiracy when defection is more profitable. Aside from blinded applications and maybe interviews, not much needs to be done. We are building businesses here, not collecting data for a census.

pekk 12y ago
Being rich, being a VC, being Mark Zuckerberg or Steve Jobs or Bill Gates is a lot of status, but despite popular assumptions, that doesn't really rub off on the programming equivalent of a line cook or plumber.

vacri 12y ago

No, I don't think it's okay to say that kind of generalisation and I think it's fine to object, but you should object in a straightfoward manner rather than a tit-for-tat whine. You don't see men throwing tantrums like this. I constantly see men throwing tantrums, whenever the vaguest whiff of even moderate feminism can be smelled. Also, where did you get the idea that chefs are predominantly women? Not to mention that chefs are famously reknowned for throwing tanties. Same with fashion/interior designers, male or female.