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Yes but what does that 82% actually know? When there is no freedom of the press, when the government controls practically all news outlets, it's difficult to ju

Yes but what does that 82% actually know? When there is no freedom of the press, when the government controls practically all news outlets, it's difficult to judge what people think. This even without considering that those Russians who think Putin is evil will think twice before telling so to a random pollster.

trhway 12y ago
>Yes but what does that 82% actually know? When there is no freedom of the press, when the government controls practically all news outlets, it's difficult to judge what people think. they know what they want to know. Your argument was valid in Iron Curtain times. As of today most of the Russians have been to foreign countries and have the Internet access (my family back there (not a in central city) has fiber with connection qualities orders of magnitude better than my DSL in Silicon Valley) There is no "Grate Wall" like in China. There is though Great Wall in their minds. Because it is convenient, and otherwise they would need to accept the true reality of their existence and who they really are. >This even without considering that those Russians who think Putin is evil will think twice before telling so to a random pollster. such a lame excuse. It isn't about pollsters. It is about Russian people overwhelmingly supporting the policies of Putin, just look at that hysteria of "Crimea is ours".
- danmaz74 12y ago
  I think you underestimate the sheer power of propaganda, when it's well organized and all-penetrating. Moreover, how many Russians can read anything but Russian?
  - trhway 12y ago
    >I think you underestimate the sheer power of propaganda, when it's well organized and all-penetrating. you're telling this to a person who was born and raised in USSR :) Yes, man, i was accepting what i was told and didn't ask questions, didn't seek the truth. This not asking, not seeking, is a matter of personal failure, it can't be blamed on propaganda. And such failure is what the Russians are guilty off because this is what enables the propaganda in the first place. >Moreover, how many Russians can read anything but Russian? You can find all the sides of any issue presented in Russian language today. The major news like BBC have Russian version. Ukraine, with all its anti-Russian fervor, is still talks and writes a lot in Russian so Russians can easy read the Ukrainian side - that of course if they were interested in it. Again, this is their personal choice.
    - danmaz74 12y ago
      > This not asking, not seeking, is a matter of personal failure, it can't be blamed on propaganda I think you're too harsh on yourself - and on most ordinary Russians. Exiting the Matrix is really hard, not just because of propaganda, but also because Putin's intimidation technique and systematic use of corruption are very effective.

trhway 12y ago

>Yes but what does that 82% actually know? When there is no freedom of the press, when the government controls practically all news outlets, it's difficult to judge what people think. they know what they want to know. Your argument was valid in Iron Curtain times. As of today most of the Russians have been to foreign countries and have the Internet access (my family back there (not a in central city) has fiber with connection qualities orders of magnitude better than my DSL in Silicon Valley) There is no "Grate Wall" like in China. There is though Great Wall in their minds. Because it is convenient, and otherwise they would need to accept the true reality of their existence and who they really are. >This even without considering that those Russians who think Putin is evil will think twice before telling so to a random pollster. such a lame excuse. It isn't about pollsters. It is about Russian people overwhelmingly supporting the policies of Putin, just look at that hysteria of "Crimea is ours".

danmaz74 12y ago
I think you underestimate the sheer power of propaganda, when it's well organized and all-penetrating. Moreover, how many Russians can read anything but Russian?
- trhway 12y ago
  >I think you underestimate the sheer power of propaganda, when it's well organized and all-penetrating. you're telling this to a person who was born and raised in USSR :) Yes, man, i was accepting what i was told and didn't ask questions, didn't seek the truth. This not asking, not seeking, is a matter of personal failure, it can't be blamed on propaganda. And such failure is what the Russians are guilty off because this is what enables the propaganda in the first place. >Moreover, how many Russians can read anything but Russian? You can find all the sides of any issue presented in Russian language today. The major news like BBC have Russian version. Ukraine, with all its anti-Russian fervor, is still talks and writes a lot in Russian so Russians can easy read the Ukrainian side - that of course if they were interested in it. Again, this is their personal choice.
  - danmaz74 12y ago
    > This not asking, not seeking, is a matter of personal failure, it can't be blamed on propaganda I think you're too harsh on yourself - and on most ordinary Russians. Exiting the Matrix is really hard, not just because of propaganda, but also because Putin's intimidation technique and systematic use of corruption are very effective.