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If you launch journalctl, see output you don't like and _don't_ skim the manual? Now that is what I personally would consider sad. Yeah I'm afraid we
by zaphar 12y ago
If you launch journalctl, see output you don't like and
_don't_ skim the manual? Now that is what I personally
would consider sad.
Yeah I'm afraid we have to agree to disagree here too. I'll just say that if you launch journalctl and see output that is obviously being printed to the screen by less my first thought will be to check my less configuration not journalctl's. These tools are meant to be used in a way that respects the users configurations for a reason.
Flouting that convention is bound to be rage inducing when encountered during a particularly nasty debugging session.
- digi_owl 12y agoAnd this is why Torvalds defaults to "if a change in the kernel breaks user space, the fault is in the kernel no matter how buggy the user space is". The attitude of many of the core systemd devs seems to be the polar opposite. They decree from on high, and if you don't like it thought luck. In a sense this is the same difference in attitude we see between Apple (systemd) and Microsoft (Linux kernel). Microsoft has in the past bent over backwards to ensure that people could run older software on newer version of Windows. Apple in contrast have removed and changed expected product behaviors virtually over night.