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> Can you cite a source? If it was on IRC, I'm willing to sift through logs to find it for you if you give me your IRC nick. I'm "SirCmpwn", and the chat took

> Can you cite a source? If it was on IRC, I'm willing to sift through logs to find it for you if you give me your IRC nick. I'm "SirCmpwn", and the chat took place a few days ago in #rust on irc.mozilla.org. > What stories are those? We have our fair share of people who like to spread FUD, so I'm curious which one you ran into. :) I'm not really willing to name people who criticised Rust's project management here.

kibwen 12y ago
Ah, found them, logs are here: https://botbot.me/mozilla/rust/2014-12-10/?msg=27250537&page=27 https://botbot.me/mozilla/rust/2014-12-10/?msg=27250537&page... At no point in there is anyone that you're engaging with a part of the core team (which is to say: eddyb, zwarich, kmc, kimundi are all community members). So I still don't see how you can argue that the devs have shut you down with the 1.0 argument. I also see that your proposal seems to be to add header files to Rust. What everyone there failed to mention is that Rust did use to have header files (called crate files, with a .rc extension), and we removed them to a great chorus of rejoicing. Rust is unlikely to tread that path again, after having discarded it once.
- Sir_Cmpwn 12y ago
  Thanks for looking that up. I was under the impression that at least kmc is a part of the core team from my chats outside of there (and because he was +o), but it seems like I was mistaken. He was certainly in a position to ban me to shut the discussion down ;) As for header files, that's just one possible solution (and one that I think would work very well and was surprised to hear had been removed). The problems are there, but header files isn't neccessarily the right solution - it's just better to present a solution than to complain with nothing to suggest.
  - kibwen 12y ago
    Heck, I'm +o in there too, but they'd be crazy to put me on the core team. ;) Imagine waking up in the morning to find all their precious semicolons, vanished... (Personally, I agree that the module system is Rust's weakest point. I have yet to come up with any concrete solution for fixing it; it's a legitimately challenging problem.)
    - Sir_Cmpwn 12y ago
      Well, operators have the power to direct the discussion and silence people they disagree with, which kmc has done. Whether or not that's abuse is up to you but it does put them in a position of power among decision makers in the Rust world.
  - kzrdude 12y ago
    kmc is paid by moz to work on Servo using Rust
- coldtea 12y ago
  >I also see that your proposal seems to be to add header files to Rust That kind of proposal should rightly be laughed out of IRC...

kibwen 12y ago

Ah, found them, logs are here: https://botbot.me/mozilla/rust/2014-12-10/?msg=27250537&page=27 https://botbot.me/mozilla/rust/2014-12-10/?msg=27250537&page... At no point in there is anyone that you're engaging with a part of the core team (which is to say: eddyb, zwarich, kmc, kimundi are all community members). So I still don't see how you can argue that the devs have shut you down with the 1.0 argument. I also see that your proposal seems to be to add header files to Rust. What everyone there failed to mention is that Rust did use to have header files (called crate files, with a .rc extension), and we removed them to a great chorus of rejoicing. Rust is unlikely to tread that path again, after having discarded it once.

Sir_Cmpwn 12y ago
Thanks for looking that up. I was under the impression that at least kmc is a part of the core team from my chats outside of there (and because he was +o), but it seems like I was mistaken. He was certainly in a position to ban me to shut the discussion down ;) As for header files, that's just one possible solution (and one that I think would work very well and was surprised to hear had been removed). The problems are there, but header files isn't neccessarily the right solution - it's just better to present a solution than to complain with nothing to suggest.
- kibwen 12y ago
  Heck, I'm +o in there too, but they'd be crazy to put me on the core team. ;) Imagine waking up in the morning to find all their precious semicolons, vanished... (Personally, I agree that the module system is Rust's weakest point. I have yet to come up with any concrete solution for fixing it; it's a legitimately challenging problem.)
  - Sir_Cmpwn 12y ago
    Well, operators have the power to direct the discussion and silence people they disagree with, which kmc has done. Whether or not that's abuse is up to you but it does put them in a position of power among decision makers in the Rust world.
- kzrdude 12y ago
  kmc is paid by moz to work on Servo using Rust
coldtea 12y ago
>I also see that your proposal seems to be to add header files to Rust That kind of proposal should rightly be laughed out of IRC...