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Nice plug for your Kratom business ;-)

by russ 19y ago

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rms 19y ago
Kratom is a rare stimulant that makes you more productive. It is unfortunate that our culture chooses to only tolerate caffeine which makes you twitchy, and nicotine, which slowly kills you. Kratom is currently neither a food, drug, or herbal supplement which puts it in a weird legal wasteland. Kratom is usually consumed as a tea. It is very palatable when sweetened with sugar and contains healthy anti-oxidants[1]. One of the active alkaloids of kratom, 7-hydroxy mitragynine is an incredibly strong opiate, 17 times as strong as morphine[2]. Kratom has been further tested as a drug on your average variety of small mammals. This study is on a guinea pig, where they didn't get the 17x number but concluded that 7-hydroxy-mitragynine is a dose dependant antinociceptive that is stronger than morphine.[3] They do a follow up study demonstrating cross tolerance with morphine. [4] Erowid[5] is the authoritative list of studies[6] on the subject of kratom. You can read more than 50 personal experiences with kratom, mostly with regards to it as a recreational drug though some individuals there use it as a substitute for real opiates or to potentiate other drugs. Most of the negative experiences can be attributed to people incorrectly consuming kratom[7]. Kratom is properly consumed as a tea with lots of sugar and the extra kratom powder filtered out with a french press. Kratom is completely legal everywhere except some of its native Southeast Asia: Thailand, Burma, and Malaysia, and Australia[8]. It is legally grown in Indonesia and India, though I haven't found any real Mitragyna Speciosa sold out of India. Most of the guys on Ali Baba are selling fake kratom, except PH. All of the kratom on the market comes from this mystery world landowner who owns dozens of legal drug plantations in all the continents. If anyone could undercut him for one of his major products, the second supplier would make a lot of money because a successful international kratom operation could source kratom 100 fold cheaper than PH. This would require you to grow your own kratom, in a warm, wet climate or travel to Indonesia and give people money to take you to the kratom, which would probably work. Unfortunately, I don't have any contacts in Indonesia or anywhere else where Kratom is legally grown. Maybe one of these days I can take a sourcing trip. I'm not trying to push a drug here, I'm trying to tell the truth. This is a substance with a lot of potential and I would love to collaborate on research with anyone that is interested. [1]The antioxidant alkaloids in Cats Claw ( http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=AbstractPlus&list_uids=15649507 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?cmd=Retrieve&db... ) and Kratom ( http://www.erowid.org/plants/kratom/kratom_journal2.shtml http://www.erowid.org/plants/kratom/kratom_journal2.shtml ) are similar. I'll write up a comparison eventually but here are the raw sources for now. [2]http://www.thieme-connect.com/DOI/DOI?10.1055/s-2005-837822 http://www.thieme-connect.com/DOI/DOI?10.1055/s-2005-837822 [3]http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6T99-4H40J48-1&_user=10&_rdoc=1&_fmt=&_orig=search&_sort=d&view=c&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=215e6795bf74d94792757f1f32c8e3c5 http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi... [4]http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6T99-4H40J48-1&_user=10&_rdoc=1&_fmt=&_orig=search&_sort=d&view=c&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=215e6795bf74d94792757f1f32c8e3c5 http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi... [5]http://www.erowid.org/plants/kratom/kratom.shtml http://www.erowid.org/plants/kratom/kratom.shtml [6]http://www.erowid.org/plants/kratom/kratom_journal.shtml http://www.erowid.org/plants/kratom/kratom_journal.shtml [7]http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=36154 http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=36154 [8]http://www.deadiversion.usdoj.gov/drugs_concern/kratom.htm http://www.deadiversion.usdoj.gov/drugs_concern/kratom.htm
- yters 19y ago
  So, are you a major user yourself? Even caffeine, which I use out of weakness and necessity, I worry about. Subjectively, it seems like my increased focus and lack of tiredness comes at a cost to my higher intellectual functions. No objective proof of this, though subjectivity counts for something. Has anyone here achieved good enough control over their body where they don't need this stuff? Have you found a significant difference between operating on and off drugs when going without sleep for long periods?
  - rms 19y ago
    I would not recommend kratom or any stimulant as a substitute for sleep. The best thing for your productivity is natural sleep. For the purposes of productivity enhancement, I think kratom and coffee are best consumed during a day as slowly as possible... if you feel yourself getting tired or distracted, take a sip. I don't feel that kratom use hinders higher intellectual function in sub-opiating doses but this is difficult to measure. There is only one good pharmaceutical solution for suppressing tiredness without other side effects: Modafinil. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modafinil http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modafinil This is an account of extreme Modafinil use and abuse. http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=45423 http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=45423
  - ericb 19y ago
    I strongly recommend naps! It doubles the daily time when I can hit a flow state while coding, which is when I produce my best code. In terms of coding, I find the cloud that comes from tiredness to be worth always avoiding. I do this because coding's not like moving lumber where you're just slower if you're tired. Instead you'll move the lumber to the wrong place! If I'm not at-peak, I dedicate that time to grunt-work, research, but not coding. My newest approach is personal "sprints" where I ignore all distractions, set a big goal and race at it for 1-2 hours.
    - nextmoveone 19y ago
      einstein never slept, he only took naps several times a day.

Nice plug for your Kratom business ;-)

by russ 19y ago

Nice plug for your Kratom business ;-)

deleted 19y ago

[deleted]

rms 19y ago

Kratom is a rare stimulant that makes you more productive. It is unfortunate that our culture chooses to only tolerate caffeine which makes you twitchy, and nicotine, which slowly kills you. Kratom is currently neither a food, drug, or herbal supplement which puts it in a weird legal wasteland. Kratom is usually consumed as a tea. It is very palatable when sweetened with sugar and contains healthy anti-oxidants[1]. One of the active alkaloids of kratom, 7-hydroxy mitragynine is an incredibly strong opiate, 17 times as strong as morphine[2]. Kratom has been further tested as a drug on your average variety of small mammals. This study is on a guinea pig, where they didn't get the 17x number but concluded that 7-hydroxy-mitragynine is a dose dependant antinociceptive that is stronger than morphine.[3] They do a follow up study demonstrating cross tolerance with morphine. [4] Erowid[5] is the authoritative list of studies[6] on the subject of kratom. You can read more than 50 personal experiences with kratom, mostly with regards to it as a recreational drug though some individuals there use it as a substitute for real opiates or to potentiate other drugs. Most of the negative experiences can be attributed to people incorrectly consuming kratom[7]. Kratom is properly consumed as a tea with lots of sugar and the extra kratom powder filtered out with a french press. Kratom is completely legal everywhere except some of its native Southeast Asia: Thailand, Burma, and Malaysia, and Australia[8]. It is legally grown in Indonesia and India, though I haven't found any real Mitragyna Speciosa sold out of India. Most of the guys on Ali Baba are selling fake kratom, except PH. All of the kratom on the market comes from this mystery world landowner who owns dozens of legal drug plantations in all the continents. If anyone could undercut him for one of his major products, the second supplier would make a lot of money because a successful international kratom operation could source kratom 100 fold cheaper than PH. This would require you to grow your own kratom, in a warm, wet climate or travel to Indonesia and give people money to take you to the kratom, which would probably work. Unfortunately, I don't have any contacts in Indonesia or anywhere else where Kratom is legally grown. Maybe one of these days I can take a sourcing trip. I'm not trying to push a drug here, I'm trying to tell the truth. This is a substance with a lot of potential and I would love to collaborate on research with anyone that is interested. [1]The antioxidant alkaloids in Cats Claw ( http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=AbstractPlus&list_uids=15649507 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?cmd=Retrieve&db... ) and Kratom ( http://www.erowid.org/plants/kratom/kratom_journal2.shtml http://www.erowid.org/plants/kratom/kratom_journal2.shtml ) are similar. I'll write up a comparison eventually but here are the raw sources for now. [2]http://www.thieme-connect.com/DOI/DOI?10.1055/s-2005-837822 http://www.thieme-connect.com/DOI/DOI?10.1055/s-2005-837822 [3]http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6T99-4H40J48-1&_user=10&_rdoc=1&_fmt=&_orig=search&_sort=d&view=c&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=215e6795bf74d94792757f1f32c8e3c5 http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi... [4]http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6T99-4H40J48-1&_user=10&_rdoc=1&_fmt=&_orig=search&_sort=d&view=c&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=215e6795bf74d94792757f1f32c8e3c5 http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi... [5]http://www.erowid.org/plants/kratom/kratom.shtml http://www.erowid.org/plants/kratom/kratom.shtml [6]http://www.erowid.org/plants/kratom/kratom_journal.shtml http://www.erowid.org/plants/kratom/kratom_journal.shtml [7]http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=36154 http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=36154 [8]http://www.deadiversion.usdoj.gov/drugs_concern/kratom.htm http://www.deadiversion.usdoj.gov/drugs_concern/kratom.htm

yters 19y ago
So, are you a major user yourself? Even caffeine, which I use out of weakness and necessity, I worry about. Subjectively, it seems like my increased focus and lack of tiredness comes at a cost to my higher intellectual functions. No objective proof of this, though subjectivity counts for something. Has anyone here achieved good enough control over their body where they don't need this stuff? Have you found a significant difference between operating on and off drugs when going without sleep for long periods?
- rms 19y ago
  I would not recommend kratom or any stimulant as a substitute for sleep. The best thing for your productivity is natural sleep. For the purposes of productivity enhancement, I think kratom and coffee are best consumed during a day as slowly as possible... if you feel yourself getting tired or distracted, take a sip. I don't feel that kratom use hinders higher intellectual function in sub-opiating doses but this is difficult to measure. There is only one good pharmaceutical solution for suppressing tiredness without other side effects: Modafinil. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modafinil http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modafinil This is an account of extreme Modafinil use and abuse. http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=45423 http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=45423
- ericb 19y ago
  I strongly recommend naps! It doubles the daily time when I can hit a flow state while coding, which is when I produce my best code. In terms of coding, I find the cloud that comes from tiredness to be worth always avoiding. I do this because coding's not like moving lumber where you're just slower if you're tired. Instead you'll move the lumber to the wrong place! If I'm not at-peak, I dedicate that time to grunt-work, research, but not coding. My newest approach is personal "sprints" where I ignore all distractions, set a big goal and race at it for 1-2 hours.
  - nextmoveone 19y ago
    einstein never slept, he only took naps several times a day.