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You HN libertarians are living in a dream world.

by krisdol 12y ago

josu 12y ago
Come live in Mexico and tell me that the drug war is working. And once you are at it, try to explain how the potential risk of getting some more people addicted is better than 40,000 deaths, as many "disappearances" and many more kidnappings a year (just in Mexico). If you think that the drug problem only involves the US, please read this article [1]. Maybe by the time you reach the end of the article, those libertarians don't look so libertarian anymore. [1] http://thenewinquiry.com/essays/a-country-disappeared/ http://thenewinquiry.com/essays/a-country-disappeared/
- krisdol 12y ago
  My problem isn't with the obvious statement that everyone agrees with already (the drug war is ineffective), my problem is with the remaining paragraphs of bullshit in that post.
xj9 12y ago
So you think incarcerating people for what is categorically a health issue (drug abuse) is a good idea?
- tptacek 12y ago
  The comment you're replying to isn't a good one, but rebutting an argument it didn't make doesn't make yours much better.
  - xj9 12y ago
    > And when drugs are legal, people do them less. Like in the Netherlands where marijuana use ranks far below America's. And other decriminalized countries. > You HN libertarians are living in a dream world. I've heard this kind of argument multiple times talking to people about legalization/decriminalization of drugs. I just assumed GP meant their comment that way.
    - krisdol 12y ago
      I know this is super post-mortem regarding my comment, but my "bullshit" claim was directed at the "Maybe Ulbright is not the world's greatest human, but his service may have saved more lives than anything" and "It's not a far stretch to make the case that the Silk Road makes the world, especially America a safer place". Everyone and their dog is against the drug war, I had no expectation that people here would assume I was for it.
revscat 12y ago
The social and financial benefits of stopping the drug war is not limited to libertarians. I am a socialist and believe it to be a misguided and deeply destructive set of policies that have done far more harm than good.
MacsHeadroom 12y ago
State loving socialist here; the drug war is fucked. Free Ross!
codyb 12y ago
I'm a social libertarian but that's all. Presumptive comments on hacker news which add nothing to the discussion are neither welcome nor warranted. You'd do well to refrain from them in the future. Cheers.

You HN libertarians are living in a dream world.

by krisdol 12y ago

You HN libertarians are living in a dream world.

josu 12y ago

Come live in Mexico and tell me that the drug war is working. And once you are at it, try to explain how the potential risk of getting some more people addicted is better than 40,000 deaths, as many "disappearances" and many more kidnappings a year (just in Mexico). If you think that the drug problem only involves the US, please read this article [1]. Maybe by the time you reach the end of the article, those libertarians don't look so libertarian anymore. [1] http://thenewinquiry.com/essays/a-country-disappeared/ http://thenewinquiry.com/essays/a-country-disappeared/

krisdol 12y ago
My problem isn't with the obvious statement that everyone agrees with already (the drug war is ineffective), my problem is with the remaining paragraphs of bullshit in that post.

xj9 12y ago

So you think incarcerating people for what is categorically a health issue (drug abuse) is a good idea?

tptacek 12y ago
The comment you're replying to isn't a good one, but rebutting an argument it didn't make doesn't make yours much better.
- xj9 12y ago
  > And when drugs are legal, people do them less. Like in the Netherlands where marijuana use ranks far below America's. And other decriminalized countries. > You HN libertarians are living in a dream world. I've heard this kind of argument multiple times talking to people about legalization/decriminalization of drugs. I just assumed GP meant their comment that way.
  - krisdol 12y ago
    I know this is super post-mortem regarding my comment, but my "bullshit" claim was directed at the "Maybe Ulbright is not the world's greatest human, but his service may have saved more lives than anything" and "It's not a far stretch to make the case that the Silk Road makes the world, especially America a safer place". Everyone and their dog is against the drug war, I had no expectation that people here would assume I was for it.

revscat 12y ago

The social and financial benefits of stopping the drug war is not limited to libertarians. I am a socialist and believe it to be a misguided and deeply destructive set of policies that have done far more harm than good.

MacsHeadroom 12y ago

State loving socialist here; the drug war is fucked. Free Ross!

codyb 12y ago

I'm a social libertarian but that's all. Presumptive comments on hacker news which add nothing to the discussion are neither welcome nor warranted. You'd do well to refrain from them in the future. Cheers.