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no they aren't.

• danbruc 12y ago
  How do you arrive at absolute moral values if they are not God-given? There are some very real limits like declaring murder a good thing which will just extinct your moral values pretty quickly but besides that? What is fundamentally wrong with killing people with green eyes?
  • jqm 12y ago
    What can you provably say you know? What is irrefutably beyond dispute and based on no suppositions whatsoever? When has a god ever demonstrably actually ever given any sort of commandments? So where are the absolutes hmmm? What is fundamentally "wrong" with killing people that have green eyes? I don't know. What is fundamentally wrong with killing people who don't pray like you do? When you have to ask questions like that, I think you have not followed the issue far enough.
  • eli_gottlieb 12y ago
    >How do you arrive at absolute moral values if they are not God-given? By not defining morals in terms of "what a great authority figure in the sky will reward or punish".
    • JoeAltmaier 12y ago
      Or, by convention. They are what makes our society cohesive. Darwinism selects for societies with functional values.
  • dragonwriter 12y ago
    > How do you arrive at absolute moral values if they are not God-given? Its just as possible to assume moral axioms directly as to assume moral axioms prefaced with "God says". You can do this either for detailed rules, or for high-level rules from which detailed rules are derived by reason.