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The list of words is so mind-boggling. On the Chinese Internet you cannot talk about former leaders (Deng Xiaoping, Zhao Ziyang); current leaders (Xi Jinping, H

by r0h1n 12y ago

The list of words is so mind-boggling. On the Chinese Internet you cannot talk about former leaders (Deng Xiaoping, Zhao Ziyang); current leaders (Xi Jinping, Hu Jintao, Wen Jiabao); communist party/army/Ministry of Truth/Police; porn/fuck/penis/vagina/sperm; protest/persecution/gang rape; Muslim/Tibet; freedom/democracy/revolution.... I wish there was a way to visualize at a high-level how language on the Chinese Internet is drifting over time and try and correlate it to the emotions/thoughts the Communist Party wants people to have. This is the Thought Police and Mind Control from 1984, only way, way more advanced and insidious and real. Brrrr. Getting the chills just imagining being subjected to this! Edit: adding a direct link to the Google Docs spreadsheet containing the 9054 words - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/19eS47Dg086vR1jh9oo51pXstYVT2wft13JGCrnAeU7A/edit#gid=728354615 https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/19eS47Dg086vR1jh9oo51...

gambiting 12y ago
Our company is releasing a version of our game for the Chinese market(now that you can officially buy the consoles and everything...) and the list of things we had to censor out is staggering. Most recent one was having to cut out a few countries from the list of available ones on the user profile creation screen, because China doesn't recognize them(like Taiwan).
- seszett 12y ago
  You can still include something like "Taiwan, province of China" can't you? It's infuriating, but still better than just removing any option for Taiwan users.
  - gambiting 12y ago
    That would be technically correct, but they want you to select "China" if you live in Taiwan. "province of X" would not be a correct choice in the "country" selection box. Obviously I agree with you, but the censorship commission is incredibly strict about that and they wouldn't accept such measures to sidestep their restrictions. Edit: I really do wonder why someone downvoted my comments. Is that because you support the Chinese censorship or for some other reason?
  - justquest 12y ago
    Languages are not countries. A pet peeve I have is websites that toggle languages with a flag. In this case, I would be curious to know if the PRC would have an issue with a traditional character option.
    - seszett 12y ago
      Since traditional is used in Hong-Kong which is in PRC, I doubt they would have an issue with it. We're not talking about languages here however, but countries. A "traditional character option" wouldn't be enough to indicate Taiwan (since languages are not countries, just like you said).
Fuxy 12y ago
You cannot control peoples thoughts this just makes the language evolve in order to bypass the firewall and people will find different words to mean the same thing in order to avoid the firewall. And if that word gets banned they will just start using another one. It makes communication a lot more cryptic if you're not part of the 'in' crowd but it doesn't stop people from talking about it.
- justquest 12y ago
  The firewall isn't about being impenetrable. It's about modifying the aggregate opinion of a population - not a specific individual. Politics is about statistics in the sense that you only need x percent of something to accomplish y goal. In other words, only x percentage of people need to think in a certain way to accomplish y goal. This is why, for example, VPNs aren't strictly enforced. Those who need them, get them. But it's such a pain in the ass for a regular person to subscribe to and deploy, that it doesn't matter on the aggregate level for 5% of people to break through.
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  - vinceguidry 12y ago
    Right. Also, banning all VPNs would make commerce very difficult. And the Party loves commerce. I'm sure they'd love to stifle all non-party-endorsed political discussion, but they're in a difficult position which is getting more and more difficult with every year. It will be interesting to see how the situation evolves.
- 2510c39011c5 12y ago
  Theoretically, you can't stop people from talking a certain thing; but in practice in you can always increase the cost to reduce the efficiency of communication, especially you can gain a lot of advantages if the effect is on a massive scale, statistically... And when you increase the cost to such a extent that people get more hassle from talking than get more benefits from this same act, people will simply stop doing it... A simple example, I am right now typing on my tablet, and I do have to admit that I was a bit hesitant before I start writing this message...it's just much more comfortable to type on a real keyboard than the tablet screen...but I hate censorship and mind control so much that overcomes my reluctance to type on a tablet... Btw, please don't downvote or upvote my post...I am currently at 256 karma units...I think it's cool and want to maintain this karma for a while...thanks...
zecg 12y ago
Also, thigh gap. The Chinese have a real thing for their 大腿的缝隙
kyllo 12y ago
This is exactly what the whole row over the Chinese government "banning puns" was about. The Daily Show did a pretty funny segment on it[1] but they sort of missed the point because something was lost in translation. The ban on puns is a ban on using puns / homophones to dodge keyword censorship in the media and online. [1]http://thedailyshow.cc.com/videos/g4fquh/a-measured-discussion-of-the-prohibition-of-wordplay-in-the-people-s-republic-of-china http://thedailyshow.cc.com/videos/g4fquh/a-measured-discussi...

by r0h1n 12y ago

gambiting 12y ago

Our company is releasing a version of our game for the Chinese market(now that you can officially buy the consoles and everything...) and the list of things we had to censor out is staggering. Most recent one was having to cut out a few countries from the list of available ones on the user profile creation screen, because China doesn't recognize them(like Taiwan).

seszett 12y ago
You can still include something like "Taiwan, province of China" can't you? It's infuriating, but still better than just removing any option for Taiwan users.
- gambiting 12y ago
  That would be technically correct, but they want you to select "China" if you live in Taiwan. "province of X" would not be a correct choice in the "country" selection box. Obviously I agree with you, but the censorship commission is incredibly strict about that and they wouldn't accept such measures to sidestep their restrictions. Edit: I really do wonder why someone downvoted my comments. Is that because you support the Chinese censorship or for some other reason?
- justquest 12y ago
  Languages are not countries. A pet peeve I have is websites that toggle languages with a flag. In this case, I would be curious to know if the PRC would have an issue with a traditional character option.
  - seszett 12y ago
    Since traditional is used in Hong-Kong which is in PRC, I doubt they would have an issue with it. We're not talking about languages here however, but countries. A "traditional character option" wouldn't be enough to indicate Taiwan (since languages are not countries, just like you said).

Fuxy 12y ago

You cannot control peoples thoughts this just makes the language evolve in order to bypass the firewall and people will find different words to mean the same thing in order to avoid the firewall. And if that word gets banned they will just start using another one. It makes communication a lot more cryptic if you're not part of the 'in' crowd but it doesn't stop people from talking about it.

justquest 12y ago
The firewall isn't about being impenetrable. It's about modifying the aggregate opinion of a population - not a specific individual. Politics is about statistics in the sense that you only need x percent of something to accomplish y goal. In other words, only x percentage of people need to think in a certain way to accomplish y goal. This is why, for example, VPNs aren't strictly enforced. Those who need them, get them. But it's such a pain in the ass for a regular person to subscribe to and deploy, that it doesn't matter on the aggregate level for 5% of people to break through.
- deleted 12y ago
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- vinceguidry 12y ago
  Right. Also, banning all VPNs would make commerce very difficult. And the Party loves commerce. I'm sure they'd love to stifle all non-party-endorsed political discussion, but they're in a difficult position which is getting more and more difficult with every year. It will be interesting to see how the situation evolves.
2510c39011c5 12y ago
Theoretically, you can't stop people from talking a certain thing; but in practice in you can always increase the cost to reduce the efficiency of communication, especially you can gain a lot of advantages if the effect is on a massive scale, statistically... And when you increase the cost to such a extent that people get more hassle from talking than get more benefits from this same act, people will simply stop doing it... A simple example, I am right now typing on my tablet, and I do have to admit that I was a bit hesitant before I start writing this message...it's just much more comfortable to type on a real keyboard than the tablet screen...but I hate censorship and mind control so much that overcomes my reluctance to type on a tablet... Btw, please don't downvote or upvote my post...I am currently at 256 karma units...I think it's cool and want to maintain this karma for a while...thanks...

zecg 12y ago

Also, thigh gap. The Chinese have a real thing for their 大腿的缝隙

kyllo 12y ago

This is exactly what the whole row over the Chinese government "banning puns" was about. The Daily Show did a pretty funny segment on it[1] but they sort of missed the point because something was lost in translation. The ban on puns is a ban on using puns / homophones to dodge keyword censorship in the media and online. [1]http://thedailyshow.cc.com/videos/g4fquh/a-measured-discussion-of-the-prohibition-of-wordplay-in-the-people-s-republic-of-china http://thedailyshow.cc.com/videos/g4fquh/a-measured-discussi...