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Considering every sysadmin spent yesterday uninstalling rollup 8 for Exchange 2010 and KB3004394, I'm very worried that MS, as an organization, has fallen from

Considering every sysadmin spent yesterday uninstalling rollup 8 for Exchange 2010 and KB3004394, I'm very worried that MS, as an organization, has fallen from grace on a level never before seen. On top of a million other issues like the failure of Office 2013 and Windows 8 in general. I imagine the politics at Microsoft still remain at, "Catch up to Apple, make our own iPad, iPhone, etc" instead of delivering a good product in the dozen other realms they compete in. Of course the automakers were going to ditch the MS product. Its substandard. I really wish MS would find a way to up their game. Nadella's tenure isn't looking so bright 8 months in. Not sure if MS is salvageable, to be honest. I sometimes think how much better the products would be if Clinton actually tried to split up the enterprise stuff from the home stuff during the anti-trust settlement, instead of allowing MS to continue as-is and continue to force IE6 on the web for 4 or 5 more years than it deserved to.

freehunter 12y ago
>Nadella's tenure isn't looking so bright 8 months in. I think many here would disagree with that, as shown by the last... 8 months of news about open source this, Linux that, iOS/Android apps, web standards, and GitHub. I've never heard any complaints about Office 2013, and I haven't heard any complaints about Windows 8 that haven't been solved by Windows 8.1 or Windows 10.
- RyJones 12y ago
  Office 2013 apps are incredibly slow to start and run. Outlook, in particular, will lock up for minutes at a time with no network or CPU activity. Some people in my office use OWA instead of Outlook to get around the lockups.
  - sz4kerto 12y ago
    Really? On my >3 yo hardware Word 2013 starts well below half a second (actually in like 300 msec, I've made many measurements).
  - freehunter 12y ago
    I don't use Outlook, but all the other Office 2013 apps run fine on my Windows tablet, with a dual core Atom and 1GB of RAM. I've had a 20-slide Powerpoint open and being edited at the same time as a several hundred row Excel document. It wasn't fast, but it wasn't painful.
- gtk40 12y ago
  I have heard complaints that it was not a major enough upgrade from 2010, but I certainly appreciate it. The new interface is great, and there are a handful of features that have really made a difference for me. Having decent ODF support, having used OO.o since 2.0 betas made the switch to Office much easier. Editing PDFs has also come in handy quite a few times.
sumedh 12y ago
> Nadella's tenure isn't looking so bright 8 months in You cannot judge a new CEO in just 8 months.
- hga 12y ago
  Given the massive transformation of the QA system he instituted, current bugs are the sort of thing you can judge him on.
rewqfdsa 12y ago
> I'm very worried that MS, as an organization, has fallen from grace on a level never before seen That's what happens when a company refuses to pay market rate to its top people. Other Seattle-area tech companies have been poaching from Microsoft for years, and Microsoft hasn't bothered to even try to stop it.

freehunter 12y ago

>Nadella's tenure isn't looking so bright 8 months in. I think many here would disagree with that, as shown by the last... 8 months of news about open source this, Linux that, iOS/Android apps, web standards, and GitHub. I've never heard any complaints about Office 2013, and I haven't heard any complaints about Windows 8 that haven't been solved by Windows 8.1 or Windows 10.

RyJones 12y ago
Office 2013 apps are incredibly slow to start and run. Outlook, in particular, will lock up for minutes at a time with no network or CPU activity. Some people in my office use OWA instead of Outlook to get around the lockups.
- sz4kerto 12y ago
  Really? On my >3 yo hardware Word 2013 starts well below half a second (actually in like 300 msec, I've made many measurements).
- freehunter 12y ago
  I don't use Outlook, but all the other Office 2013 apps run fine on my Windows tablet, with a dual core Atom and 1GB of RAM. I've had a 20-slide Powerpoint open and being edited at the same time as a several hundred row Excel document. It wasn't fast, but it wasn't painful.
gtk40 12y ago
I have heard complaints that it was not a major enough upgrade from 2010, but I certainly appreciate it. The new interface is great, and there are a handful of features that have really made a difference for me. Having decent ODF support, having used OO.o since 2.0 betas made the switch to Office much easier. Editing PDFs has also come in handy quite a few times.

sumedh 12y ago

> Nadella's tenure isn't looking so bright 8 months in You cannot judge a new CEO in just 8 months.

hga 12y ago
Given the massive transformation of the QA system he instituted, current bugs are the sort of thing you can judge him on.

rewqfdsa 12y ago

> I'm very worried that MS, as an organization, has fallen from grace on a level never before seen That's what happens when a company refuses to pay market rate to its top people. Other Seattle-area tech companies have been poaching from Microsoft for years, and Microsoft hasn't bothered to even try to stop it.