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Cool. Please link to online repository of everything you've ever produced, under any circumstances, for any purpose.

icebraining 12y ago
Why? Nobody is saying that copyright holders should be forced to distribute their work for free. Only that people, after having acquired copies, should be able to share it with others. If you want to distribute copies of all the work I've ever published, or work made by me and published by the company I work for, you're free to do so. It's all under Free licenses.
- waterlesscloud 12y ago
  I specifically said everything produced, under any circumstances. Not just work. Everything. After all, if you believe in the free sharing of information...
  - icebraining 12y ago
    You're still confusing "freedom to share" with "obligation to share". Being for the free sharing of information and choosing to not publish some stuff is completely coherent. Nobody says copyright holders should be forced to publish their works.
    - waterlesscloud 12y ago
      So you support spreading the hacked nude photos of celebs? Once someone obtains a copy they should be free to share? And "Nobody says copyright holders should be forced to publish their works." should be a warning flag to you. Once you get to a position that twisty, you should think to yourself there's probably something wrong with it.
      - the8472 12y ago
        Those celeb photos do not need copyright to be protected from distribution. They need the right to privacy, because that's what's being harmed there. Copyright just gets used as a tool for takedown because commercial interests have driven the law to make it a much sharper and more immediately applicable tool than privacy laws.
      - tomp 12y ago
        > And "Nobody says copyright holders should be forced to publish their works." should be a warning flag to you. Once you get to a position that twisty, you should think to yourself there's probably something wrong with it. Strange, because that's exactly how the patent/business secrets laws work; a company is free to decide what they want to do with their new invention; they can keep it secret and risk someone else reinventing it, or they can publish it (submit a patent) and receive a temporary monopoly on that technology.
        waterlesscloud 12y ago
        What's being said here is that if you want to keep the rights to something, you must keep it to yourself. If you publish it, you must lose control. That's exactly the opposite of what patents say. Patents say if you want to publish something, you can still have protection for it.
        sp332 12y ago
        Yes, that's correct. A patent is a legal construct that temporarily gives the creator more protections than they would "naturally" have. This is specifically done to encourage people to publish their ideas. After a time, this protection goes away and things are back to normal.
      - icebraining 12y ago
        What twist? If you don't want your works to be distributed, don't distribute them. I don't see what's weird about that. As for the nude celeb pictures, I think the original hack should be illegal. I don't think mere distribution should be. It wouldn't serve any purpose to do so, as we've seen - it is illegal right now, did that help anyone? That doesn't mean I support it. Life is not a binary choice between "this is a good activity" and "this should be illegal".
- kristiandupont 12y ago
  >people, after having acquired copies, should be able to share it with others So basically, I should not be allowed to say "Look at this, but don't show anybody else"? As soon as something has been copied, I have lost any say?
  - icebraining 12y ago
    Well, personally, I don't object to NDAs; as long as the person has consented beforehand. But that's just me, don't assume that's what everyone else agrees.

Why? Nobody is saying that copyright holders should be forced to distribute their work for free. Only that people, after having acquired copies, should be able to share it with others. If you want to distribute copies of all the work I've ever published, or work made by me and published by the company I work for, you're free to do so. It's all under Free licenses.

waterlesscloud 12y ago
I specifically said everything produced, under any circumstances. Not just work. Everything. After all, if you believe in the free sharing of information...
- icebraining 12y ago
  You're still confusing "freedom to share" with "obligation to share". Being for the free sharing of information and choosing to not publish some stuff is completely coherent. Nobody says copyright holders should be forced to publish their works.
  - waterlesscloud 12y ago
    So you support spreading the hacked nude photos of celebs? Once someone obtains a copy they should be free to share? And "Nobody says copyright holders should be forced to publish their works." should be a warning flag to you. Once you get to a position that twisty, you should think to yourself there's probably something wrong with it.
    - the8472 12y ago
      Those celeb photos do not need copyright to be protected from distribution. They need the right to privacy, because that's what's being harmed there. Copyright just gets used as a tool for takedown because commercial interests have driven the law to make it a much sharper and more immediately applicable tool than privacy laws.
    - tomp 12y ago
      > And "Nobody says copyright holders should be forced to publish their works." should be a warning flag to you. Once you get to a position that twisty, you should think to yourself there's probably something wrong with it. Strange, because that's exactly how the patent/business secrets laws work; a company is free to decide what they want to do with their new invention; they can keep it secret and risk someone else reinventing it, or they can publish it (submit a patent) and receive a temporary monopoly on that technology.
      - waterlesscloud 12y ago
        What's being said here is that if you want to keep the rights to something, you must keep it to yourself. If you publish it, you must lose control. That's exactly the opposite of what patents say. Patents say if you want to publish something, you can still have protection for it.
        sp332 12y ago
        Yes, that's correct. A patent is a legal construct that temporarily gives the creator more protections than they would "naturally" have. This is specifically done to encourage people to publish their ideas. After a time, this protection goes away and things are back to normal.
    - icebraining 12y ago
      What twist? If you don't want your works to be distributed, don't distribute them. I don't see what's weird about that. As for the nude celeb pictures, I think the original hack should be illegal. I don't think mere distribution should be. It wouldn't serve any purpose to do so, as we've seen - it is illegal right now, did that help anyone? That doesn't mean I support it. Life is not a binary choice between "this is a good activity" and "this should be illegal".
kristiandupont 12y ago
>people, after having acquired copies, should be able to share it with others So basically, I should not be allowed to say "Look at this, but don't show anybody else"? As soon as something has been copied, I have lost any say?
- icebraining 12y ago
  Well, personally, I don't object to NDAs; as long as the person has consented beforehand. But that's just me, don't assume that's what everyone else agrees.