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This is a bunch of leftist FUD to be honest. Read up on libertarianism. You've even managed to get the definition of "freedom" wrong. Lack of rules? Are we usi

This is a bunch of leftist FUD to be honest. Read up on libertarianism. You've even managed to get the definition of "freedom" wrong. Lack of rules? Are we using arguments from decades ago? It's lack of rulers. There's never a lack of rules because we all understand natural law.

krapp 12y ago
>There's never a lack of rules because we all understand natural law. No we don't. More to the point, I can guarantee that not everyone agrees with your understanding of whatever 'natural law' is, or with your inalienable right to exercise that view in their presence. Not even Libertarians agree on that.
- innguest 12y ago
  It's not something for which there is "my understanding" and "your understanding". It's obvious stuff. If you punch someone in the face you can expect retaliation. If you trade with others you can expect peace for the duration of that contract. And so on. I'm not saying there's a list of the natural laws that I imagine people know of. There's no list. There's only the obvious stuff. Obviously I'd have to retaliate if I thought my life were in danger, and obviously I'd do my best to keep alliances that benefit me. Others will do the same. It all ends up working itself out. No need for a Hammurabi.
  - krapp 12y ago
    Even the most barbarian, uncivilized tribes have had a shaman or chieftain and a set of principles to follow and taboos to avoid. Arguably (since I Am Not An Archaologist), Hammurabi's insight wasn't having laws, but writing them down, and abstracting the force of law away from the immediate will of the god-king.
agilebyte 12y ago
Natural law, like the survival of the fittest?
- innguest 12y ago
  Like, if you initiate aggression, you can expect aggression in return. In the same way that you would defend yourself if someone attacked you. Those self-reflective thoughts we all have.

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This is a bunch of leftist FUD to be honest. Read up on libertarianism. You've even managed to get the definition of "freedom" wrong. Lack of rules? Are we usi

by innguest 12y ago

krapp 12y ago
>There's never a lack of rules because we all understand natural law. No we don't. More to the point, I can guarantee that not everyone agrees with your understanding of whatever 'natural law' is, or with your inalienable right to exercise that view in their presence. Not even Libertarians agree on that.
- innguest 12y ago
  It's not something for which there is "my understanding" and "your understanding". It's obvious stuff. If you punch someone in the face you can expect retaliation. If you trade with others you can expect peace for the duration of that contract. And so on. I'm not saying there's a list of the natural laws that I imagine people know of. There's no list. There's only the obvious stuff. Obviously I'd have to retaliate if I thought my life were in danger, and obviously I'd do my best to keep alliances that benefit me. Others will do the same. It all ends up working itself out. No need for a Hammurabi.
  - krapp 12y ago
    Even the most barbarian, uncivilized tribes have had a shaman or chieftain and a set of principles to follow and taboos to avoid. Arguably (since I Am Not An Archaologist), Hammurabi's insight wasn't having laws, but writing them down, and abstracting the force of law away from the immediate will of the god-king.
agilebyte 12y ago
Natural law, like the survival of the fittest?
- innguest 12y ago
  Like, if you initiate aggression, you can expect aggression in return. In the same way that you would defend yourself if someone attacked you. Those self-reflective thoughts we all have.