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While it's certainly very true that there are people who just want to ruin everyone else's fun out of spite, this situation is more complicated because there re
by nhstanley 12y ago
While it's certainly very true that there are people who just want to ruin everyone else's fun out of spite, this situation is more complicated because there really are problems with uncontrolled administration of drugs, even ones we have studied for other purposes. There a many reasons why people in the article are stressing the need for trials.
Even if we just stick to ketamine, there are many questions. First, is this better than the current standard of care? Is it better in the short term, long term, or both? How much better? Should we discontinue drugs like SSRIs altogether? Are people dying (committing suicide, in this case) because this is a fringe treatment and not the standard of care?
Second, while we clearly already use it as an anesthetic, we don't know what the effects or dangers might be for this kind of use. Is repeated administration (as seems necessary) a health problem? Are side effects like hallucinations just temporary, or is the brain altered in some way permanently? There are drugs that, the longer and more frequently you take them, the more likely you are to have actual permanent problems (some antipsychotics, for example).
Doing any kind of controlled study with humans is inherently difficult, and in some cases impossible (this is why we know so little about nutrition). But not doing controlled studies and carefully assessing the value of a treatment can be just as catastrophic as ignoring something that seems to work. And you can't go with your gut on these things, or we end up with antivaxers and dead people when we should have just done the study(s) the right way from the start.
- murbard2 12y agoYour argument is basically that it's generally a good idea to make sure a medical treatment is safe and effective before undertaking it. That's hardly controversial. What does not follow at all is that Ketamine should be banned, or that medical researchers should have to jump through D.E.A hoops to do research.
- refurb 12y agoWhat does not follow at all is that Ketamine should be banned, or that medical researchers should have to jump through D.E.A hoops to do research. Ketamine isn't banned. And it's not all that controlled compared to other drugs (Schedule III). You'd have a harder time running a trial for morphine than you would for ketamine.
- murbard2 12y agoOK, schedule III isn't so bad, but afaiac, if I can't buy it at Walmart, it's banned.
- sneak 12y agoAll of the questions you've listed are reasons for further study and analysis and the publication of the results of such. They are not reasons for criminal penalties for END USERS who choose to proceed without that data. If a doctor proceeds without that data, sure - they're in a position of trust. But to throw someone in jail because they injected something into their own body that they personally believed (even erroneously) would help them is complete lunacy. "Penalties against possession of a drug should not be more damaging to an individual than the use of the drug itself." —Jimmy Carter