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http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/29811499 http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/29811499 http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/25186316 http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/25186316 Exe

http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/29811499 http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/29811499 http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/25186316 http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/25186316 Exercise extreme caution, the article doesn't even seem to acknowledge the seriousness of this at all...

user_0001 12y ago
I don't think the article is suggestion people sniff 5+ grams a day every day for long periods, which is required to get the serious bladder problems as mentioned in those articles
mmastrac 12y ago
Some of these users seem to be drastically abusing the drug: "He said at the height of his addiction, he was taking it for 23 hours a day." The others don't really specify if they were taking it in large quantities. With proper safety studies, monitoring, and dosing it seems like there would be less chance of this happening.
egypturnash 12y ago
From the second link: "Where I used to live, there was nothing to do at all. "We had this mentality of really battering whatever substance we had in front of us. K [ketamine] just seemed to be the best substance we had available." All of these horror stories you link to sound like people who have been habitually abusing ketamine, taking ever larger doses as they build up a tolerance. Pretty much ANYTHING can be abused; do we ban sleeping pills because you can swallow a whole bottle and kill yourself?
- contingencies 12y ago
  do we ban sleeping pills because you can swallow a whole bottle and kill yourself? Well, here in China, they only supply 3-5 sleeping pills or so after consultation, and you can no longer buy them over the counter. This is precisely because too many people were killing themselves.
lomidrevo 12y ago
The ketamine depression therapy operates with doses of no more than 100mg, taken once or twice a month. Ketamine abusers typically consume well upwards of a gram, or a couple, daily. This is a similar situation as the difference between having two glasses of wine on Sundays, and downing a fifth of hard liquor every day. Edit: FYA: "Matt developed K bladder after taking as much as 15g of the drug a day." Yeah...if anything, it's testament to the relative safety of the drug, if taking 150x the therapeutic dose daily did not cause the individual to drop dead right away!
- PublicEnemy111 12y ago
  No drug user starts out by saying, "I'm going to get addicted to this." It creeps up on you. 100mg works for a week, then you need 125mg to maintain the effects, then 175mg, and so on. There was a post on reddit about a heroin addicts experience with the drug. It was eery to hear how it becomes part of your life so easily. I think Ketamine has great potential, but the risk of abuse far outweighs the benefits.
  - cloudwalking 12y ago
    Heroin is very addictive, Ketamine is not.
    - tesq 12y ago
      Tolerance builds quickly and a strong mental addiction develops quickly. Having to take a shit ton constantly means you're pissing brown within a few months and cessation means withdrawals (nothing even close to heroin, but still there). Source: my friend with a ketamine addiction.
      - lawlesstwo 12y ago
        Self control goes a long way. Particularly for something that's not physically addictive.
        12y ago

user_0001 12y ago

I don't think the article is suggestion people sniff 5+ grams a day every day for long periods, which is required to get the serious bladder problems as mentioned in those articles

mmastrac 12y ago

Some of these users seem to be drastically abusing the drug: "He said at the height of his addiction, he was taking it for 23 hours a day." The others don't really specify if they were taking it in large quantities. With proper safety studies, monitoring, and dosing it seems like there would be less chance of this happening.

egypturnash 12y ago

From the second link: "Where I used to live, there was nothing to do at all. "We had this mentality of really battering whatever substance we had in front of us. K [ketamine] just seemed to be the best substance we had available." All of these horror stories you link to sound like people who have been habitually abusing ketamine, taking ever larger doses as they build up a tolerance. Pretty much ANYTHING can be abused; do we ban sleeping pills because you can swallow a whole bottle and kill yourself?

contingencies 12y ago
do we ban sleeping pills because you can swallow a whole bottle and kill yourself? Well, here in China, they only supply 3-5 sleeping pills or so after consultation, and you can no longer buy them over the counter. This is precisely because too many people were killing themselves.

lomidrevo 12y ago

The ketamine depression therapy operates with doses of no more than 100mg, taken once or twice a month. Ketamine abusers typically consume well upwards of a gram, or a couple, daily. This is a similar situation as the difference between having two glasses of wine on Sundays, and downing a fifth of hard liquor every day. Edit: FYA: "Matt developed K bladder after taking as much as 15g of the drug a day." Yeah...if anything, it's testament to the relative safety of the drug, if taking 150x the therapeutic dose daily did not cause the individual to drop dead right away!

PublicEnemy111 12y ago
No drug user starts out by saying, "I'm going to get addicted to this." It creeps up on you. 100mg works for a week, then you need 125mg to maintain the effects, then 175mg, and so on. There was a post on reddit about a heroin addicts experience with the drug. It was eery to hear how it becomes part of your life so easily. I think Ketamine has great potential, but the risk of abuse far outweighs the benefits.
- cloudwalking 12y ago
  Heroin is very addictive, Ketamine is not.
  - tesq 12y ago
    Tolerance builds quickly and a strong mental addiction develops quickly. Having to take a shit ton constantly means you're pissing brown within a few months and cessation means withdrawals (nothing even close to heroin, but still there). Source: my friend with a ketamine addiction.
    - lawlesstwo 12y ago
      Self control goes a long way. Particularly for something that's not physically addictive.
      - 12y ago