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Yeah, well, it doesn't compare at all. You're talking about a filter coffee machine whereas Keurig sells an espresso machine. Your filter doesn't put out the sa

by xgbi 12y ago

Yeah, well, it doesn't compare at all. You're talking about a filter coffee machine whereas Keurig sells an espresso machine. Your filter doesn't put out the same coffee as an espresso machine; there's pressure involved, temperature, etc.. Your coffee will be "longer" (more water) and contain way more caffeine. You also won't ever be able to produce the foam and taste of an espresso with a filter machine. I'm not saying that it's bad, simply that you cannot compare the two, they don't produce the same coffee. Apart from that, what Keurig is doing (Nespresso is doing the same in Europe) is just plain wrong and should be prevented on a legal level. In France we have this "interop" law that allows us, for the sake of interoperability, to reverse-engineer a patented system to use with non-standard consumables. We have these capsule-based espresso cups, but anybody can sell the capsules. If you want a real espresso, though, one that doesn't lock you up in a franchise and DRM-ed capsules, just buy a normal espresso machine.

valleyer 12y ago
Keurig is not an espresso machine.
- Someone1234 12y ago
  Keurig make espresso machines, the Rivo range.
  - mcguire 12y ago
    That use K-cups? They don't look like K-cups.
    - Someone1234 12y ago
      The comment I replied to said: > Keurig is not an espresso machine. Keurig is a company. They make espresso machines. They also make K-Cup coffee machines which is not expresso.
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pistle 12y ago
This is how someone can sell a Keurig machine. That's not espresso and the coffee is a poor value. Seriously folks, is it that hard to make your own coffee that's better than these things?
- jcarreiro 12y ago
  The convenience is hard to beat. I recently switched from a drip coffee maker to a Keurig, and I love it. My wife and I don't drink much coffee and so making 12 cups is a huge waste, we end up throwing away 3/4 of the pot. I also leave for work fairly early (and I don't have a lot of time to spend making coffee in the morning) and so being able to put a pod in the Keurig and get decent coffee out of it a minute or two later is really nice. I can't agree with their attempt to use "DRM" to prevent users from buying pods from independent vendors (and arguments that they need to "control the experience" so that users don't buy low quality pods and get poor coffee ring hollow to me) but the machine itself is great. Fortunately, their efforts to control the k-cup market seem doomed to failure in any case.
  - flurpitude 12y ago
    And every time you make a cup of coffee you throw away a little plastic container. It's inefficient, expensive and wasteful, and it supports DRM. Putting some grounds into a filter and then composting them afterwards should not be a huge inconvenience.
  - jmhobbs 12y ago
    I can understand the multiple cup problem, it sucks to throw out coffee. For anyone else in your situation, check out an Aeropress [0]. It can make a single cup, it's easy, and I have to boil the water to make tea for my wife anyway :) Less waste than a Keurig, and cheaper TCO. [0] http://aerobie.com/products/aeropress.htm http://aerobie.com/products/aeropress.htm
    - frogpelt 12y ago
      When I saw Aerobie, I immediately thought of the flying ring. Interesting that they branched out to a coffee press from all their other products., which are basically all things that you throw.
brotoss 12y ago
You're calling coffee from a Keurig an espresso machine? My $1200 Jura begs to differ

by xgbi 12y ago

valleyer 12y ago

Keurig is not an espresso machine.

Someone1234 12y ago
Keurig make espresso machines, the Rivo range.
- mcguire 12y ago
  That use K-cups? They don't look like K-cups.
  - Someone1234 12y ago
    The comment I replied to said: > Keurig is not an espresso machine. Keurig is a company. They make espresso machines. They also make K-Cup coffee machines which is not expresso.

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pistle 12y ago

This is how someone can sell a Keurig machine. That's not espresso and the coffee is a poor value. Seriously folks, is it that hard to make your own coffee that's better than these things?

jcarreiro 12y ago
The convenience is hard to beat. I recently switched from a drip coffee maker to a Keurig, and I love it. My wife and I don't drink much coffee and so making 12 cups is a huge waste, we end up throwing away 3/4 of the pot. I also leave for work fairly early (and I don't have a lot of time to spend making coffee in the morning) and so being able to put a pod in the Keurig and get decent coffee out of it a minute or two later is really nice. I can't agree with their attempt to use "DRM" to prevent users from buying pods from independent vendors (and arguments that they need to "control the experience" so that users don't buy low quality pods and get poor coffee ring hollow to me) but the machine itself is great. Fortunately, their efforts to control the k-cup market seem doomed to failure in any case.
- flurpitude 12y ago
  And every time you make a cup of coffee you throw away a little plastic container. It's inefficient, expensive and wasteful, and it supports DRM. Putting some grounds into a filter and then composting them afterwards should not be a huge inconvenience.
- jmhobbs 12y ago
  I can understand the multiple cup problem, it sucks to throw out coffee. For anyone else in your situation, check out an Aeropress [0]. It can make a single cup, it's easy, and I have to boil the water to make tea for my wife anyway :) Less waste than a Keurig, and cheaper TCO. [0] http://aerobie.com/products/aeropress.htm http://aerobie.com/products/aeropress.htm
  - frogpelt 12y ago
    When I saw Aerobie, I immediately thought of the flying ring. Interesting that they branched out to a coffee press from all their other products., which are basically all things that you throw.

brotoss 12y ago

You're calling coffee from a Keurig an espresso machine? My $1200 Jura begs to differ