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Anyone else waiting for the Arist? https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/236195807/arist-brews-coffee-like-the-best-baristas-anytime https://www.kickstarter.com/

by hw 12y ago

Anyone else waiting for the Arist? https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/236195807/arist-brews-coffee-like-the-best-baristas-anytime https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/236195807/arist-brews-c... I have a feeling if it's successful, it's going to give Keurig some headaches.

brandonmenc 12y ago
Why? The Arist makes espresso drinks and will cost at least $400 whereas the Keurig costs less than $150 and makes drip coffee. The Arist looks great, but there is probably very little crossover between the two sets of customers.
q3k 12y ago
There's no way they'll be able to fit so many features at in a $300 product. There's already a pretty competitive bean-to-cup coffee machine market, and $300 price point usually gets you a machine that grinds, brews, dispenses and sometimes froths - very poorly, and requires maintenance. Heck, even a good, “real” espresso machine and grinder (like a Rancilio Silvia and Bartza Vario, entry level coffee geek favourites) combo will set you back around $1k. It's a pipe dream.
- adambard 12y ago
  This sounded real familiar, so I went and dug up the last one of these I heard of. The ZPM Nocturn was supposed to be a $400 espresso machine that used a fancy thermoblock instead of a boiler to save costs (cheap espresso machines use thermoblocks, but the kickstarter claimed that their design was better enough to compete with a boiler). This is straight from their kickstarter page: [1] > There are basically two kinds of home espresso machines on the market today. The affordable models have no good mechanism of temperature or pressure control. These machines can’t pull consistent shots. So if you're serious about espresso, you’ll need one of the higher-end machines - they make great coffee, but they also start around $700. > [...] > Our machine will retail for around $400, but it's available to you guys on Kickstarter for only $200! That was in 2012. Today, they still seem to be at the preorder stage, but their machine is now $800. [2] [1] https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/zpmespresso/pid-controlled-espresso-machine https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/zpmespresso/pid-control... [2] http://store.zpmespresso.com/collections/frontpage/products/nocturn-espresso-machine http://store.zpmespresso.com/collections/frontpage/products/...

by hw 12y ago

brandonmenc 12y ago

Why? The Arist makes espresso drinks and will cost at least $400 whereas the Keurig costs less than $150 and makes drip coffee. The Arist looks great, but there is probably very little crossover between the two sets of customers.

q3k 12y ago

There's no way they'll be able to fit so many features at in a $300 product. There's already a pretty competitive bean-to-cup coffee machine market, and $300 price point usually gets you a machine that grinds, brews, dispenses and sometimes froths - very poorly, and requires maintenance. Heck, even a good, “real” espresso machine and grinder (like a Rancilio Silvia and Bartza Vario, entry level coffee geek favourites) combo will set you back around $1k. It's a pipe dream.

adambard 12y ago
This sounded real familiar, so I went and dug up the last one of these I heard of. The ZPM Nocturn was supposed to be a $400 espresso machine that used a fancy thermoblock instead of a boiler to save costs (cheap espresso machines use thermoblocks, but the kickstarter claimed that their design was better enough to compete with a boiler). This is straight from their kickstarter page: [1] > There are basically two kinds of home espresso machines on the market today. The affordable models have no good mechanism of temperature or pressure control. These machines can’t pull consistent shots. So if you're serious about espresso, you’ll need one of the higher-end machines - they make great coffee, but they also start around $700. > [...] > Our machine will retail for around $400, but it's available to you guys on Kickstarter for only $200! That was in 2012. Today, they still seem to be at the preorder stage, but their machine is now $800. [2] [1] https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/zpmespresso/pid-controlled-espresso-machine https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/zpmespresso/pid-control... [2] http://store.zpmespresso.com/collections/frontpage/products/nocturn-espresso-machine http://store.zpmespresso.com/collections/frontpage/products/...