i'm not sure how to contradict this since it seems orthogonal to my point. I don't know those programs and can't tell which aspects of them you consider unmodel

i'm not sure how to contradict this since it seems orthogonal to my point. I don't know those programs and can't tell which aspects of them you consider unmodelable. A human designed system could be stupidly designed but as long as the design doesn't change randomly, you can model it.