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I'm surprised no one has brought up Homeland's past two episodes. It's fiction to be sure, but I think the raw emotions can be seen in the episodes. I have issu

by rjohnk 12y ago

I'm surprised no one has brought up Homeland's past two episodes. It's fiction to be sure, but I think the raw emotions can be seen in the episodes. I have issues with people here being armchair ethics police. Also, I have just skimmed the report, so may be in error, but is there any context to those tortured? If they did not share with the CIA when they asked nicely, why? Did the tortured gun down innocent civilians? Are they known to have plans for a large attack? What would you do in that situation? I refuse to make the jump to "America the Gestapo" I refuse to make black and white "torture is wrong, always" OR "they got what's coming to them". There is evil. There is good. We get into theological and moral implications if I go any further so I'll stop there lest I get downvoted because I believe in some old white guy with a beard.

GordonS 12y ago
> If they did not share with the CIA when they asked nicely, why? Maybe because they were innocent? Maybe because they just didn't know the answers? But let's brutally torture them for years anyway... just in case? > Did the tortured gun down innocent civilians? According to the report, some of the detainees, including a mentally disabled man, were known to be innocent themselves. Presumably there isn't any real evidence that any of them have actually done anything. Otherwise they would surely be tried in a court, rather than being brutally tortured in secret camps for years on end, with no legal counsel or so much as a shred of humanity? If I was tortured using the utterly disgusting methods in this report, I would quickly claim to have gunned down civilians, eaten babies, or indeed whatever else I though they wanted me to say... Honestly, reading parts of this report left me feeling nauseated. I don't understand how anyone can even consider agreeing with what these sub-human monsters have done, regardless of context. That they will get away with this, and some even profit greatly from it, further sickens me.

by rjohnk 12y ago

GordonS 12y ago

> If they did not share with the CIA when they asked nicely, why? Maybe because they were innocent? Maybe because they just didn't know the answers? But let's brutally torture them for years anyway... just in case? > Did the tortured gun down innocent civilians? According to the report, some of the detainees, including a mentally disabled man, were known to be innocent themselves. Presumably there isn't any real evidence that any of them have actually done anything. Otherwise they would surely be tried in a court, rather than being brutally tortured in secret camps for years on end, with no legal counsel or so much as a shred of humanity? If I was tortured using the utterly disgusting methods in this report, I would quickly claim to have gunned down civilians, eaten babies, or indeed whatever else I though they wanted me to say... Honestly, reading parts of this report left me feeling nauseated. I don't understand how anyone can even consider agreeing with what these sub-human monsters have done, regardless of context. That they will get away with this, and some even profit greatly from it, further sickens me.