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This is our government, and these acts are done in the name of our safety. If you are not interested in someone torturing on your behalf, you need to speak out

This is our government, and these acts are done in the name of our safety. If you are not interested in someone torturing on your behalf, you need to speak out, and loudly.

spacefight 12y ago
It's not only your government, it's also the staff working at the military/industrial complex. It's also other governments and their staff who have been pribed/coerced to help them with their plan. It's people. It's people among us. It's sickening.
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- olifante 12y ago
  1. The crimes of others do not excuse your own. 2. There is abundant proof that the US engaged in a deliberate, not occasional, policy of torture, whitewashed as "enhanced interrogation techniques". 3. There is so far no proof that other western nations have recently had a policy of deliberate torture, except for the sad cases where the US creatively outsourced some of its torture needs to Poland and perhaps a few other eastern european countries.
  - Shivetya 12y ago
    Where was I excusing anyone? I am merely stating, it would be ignorant to assume that other western countries are not doing the same and the same investigation into the possibility is warranted. Other Western nations facilitated capture and detention, they are helped get people to the CIA. So you are seriously telling me that they didn't suspect? Really??? Look, the EU is willing to drag planes from the sky to support the US in getting Snowden, so you think they don't know what the CIA was doing? Really???
  - xxxyy 12y ago
    These tortures were only happening in Poland, just like the Holocaust was merely happening in Poland. I hope that this is what you mean by 'creatively' - i.e. just changing the place, not the people.
  - gcb0 12y ago
    if any of those were true, there would be no war. in reality, everything is excused when it is against the enemy. but even then, the problem here is that 1) most things were done just out of sadism. for no real benefit. US tax payers pretty much paid for a BSDM dungeon for some sick CIA operatives. 2) several cases caught lawful citizens and great pains were taken to make it look like nothing happened.
    - mattgibson 12y ago
      > in reality, everything is excused when it is against the enemy. This is meaningless if you get to define any innocent/held-without-charge person as 'enemy'.
gcb0 12y ago
your elected officials are only now learning about what happened. nothing there was authorized by who you allowed into power. The common man is even more detached from the powers that be than previously assumed (which was already low).
- DanBC 12y ago
  "The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil is that Good Men Do Nothing" We knew - we knew - that detainees were being tortured. We didn't know how many; nor for how long; nor the exact methods; but we did know that it was happening.
  - gcb0 12y ago
    true. i stand corrected.
  - ams6110 12y ago
    We (congress) knew more than vague generalities. According to Jose Rodriguez[1], administration and congressional leaders knew, approved, and were kept briefed throughout. [1] http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/todays-cia-critics-once-urged-the-agency-to-do-anything-to-fight-al-qaeda/2014/12/05/ac418da2-7bda-11e4-84d4-7c896b90abdc_story.html http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/todays-cia-critics-on...

This is our government, and these acts are done in the name of our safety. If you are not interested in someone torturing on your behalf, you need to speak out, and loudly.

spacefight 12y ago

It's not only your government, it's also the staff working at the military/industrial complex. It's also other governments and their staff who have been pribed/coerced to help them with their plan. It's people. It's people among us. It's sickening.

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olifante 12y ago
1. The crimes of others do not excuse your own. 2. There is abundant proof that the US engaged in a deliberate, not occasional, policy of torture, whitewashed as "enhanced interrogation techniques". 3. There is so far no proof that other western nations have recently had a policy of deliberate torture, except for the sad cases where the US creatively outsourced some of its torture needs to Poland and perhaps a few other eastern european countries.
- Shivetya 12y ago
  Where was I excusing anyone? I am merely stating, it would be ignorant to assume that other western countries are not doing the same and the same investigation into the possibility is warranted. Other Western nations facilitated capture and detention, they are helped get people to the CIA. So you are seriously telling me that they didn't suspect? Really??? Look, the EU is willing to drag planes from the sky to support the US in getting Snowden, so you think they don't know what the CIA was doing? Really???
- xxxyy 12y ago
  These tortures were only happening in Poland, just like the Holocaust was merely happening in Poland. I hope that this is what you mean by 'creatively' - i.e. just changing the place, not the people.
- gcb0 12y ago
  if any of those were true, there would be no war. in reality, everything is excused when it is against the enemy. but even then, the problem here is that 1) most things were done just out of sadism. for no real benefit. US tax payers pretty much paid for a BSDM dungeon for some sick CIA operatives. 2) several cases caught lawful citizens and great pains were taken to make it look like nothing happened.
  - mattgibson 12y ago
    > in reality, everything is excused when it is against the enemy. This is meaningless if you get to define any innocent/held-without-charge person as 'enemy'.

gcb0 12y ago

your elected officials are only now learning about what happened. nothing there was authorized by who you allowed into power. The common man is even more detached from the powers that be than previously assumed (which was already low).

DanBC 12y ago
"The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil is that Good Men Do Nothing" We knew - we knew - that detainees were being tortured. We didn't know how many; nor for how long; nor the exact methods; but we did know that it was happening.
- gcb0 12y ago
  true. i stand corrected.
- ams6110 12y ago
  We (congress) knew more than vague generalities. According to Jose Rodriguez[1], administration and congressional leaders knew, approved, and were kept briefed throughout. [1] http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/todays-cia-critics-once-urged-the-agency-to-do-anything-to-fight-al-qaeda/2014/12/05/ac418da2-7bda-11e4-84d4-7c896b90abdc_story.html http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/todays-cia-critics-on...