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The torture techniques they're using/have used/pretended to have stopped using but definitely did not have been known and used for decades; read http://en.wiki

The torture techniques they're using/have used/pretended to have stopped using but definitely did not have been known and used for decades; read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Army_and_CIA_interrogation_manuals#CIA_manuals http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Army_and_CIA_interrogation... . A quote of a quote: "The Baltimore Sun reported that, former Battalion 3-16 member Jose Barrera said he was taught interrogation methods by U.S. instructors in 1983, used this technique: "The first thing we would say is that we know your mother, your younger brother. And better you cooperate, because if you don't, we're going to bring them in and rape them and torture them and kill them." In summary, not only does the CIA torture, it exports the vast knowledge of torture that it has so that other people (usually horrid regimes) can torture just as effectively. The USA has a long, disgusting, and utterly unforgiveable history of practicing and teaching torture. The latest "war on terror" was yet another excuse for the endless parade of terrorism which the CIA inflicts on people. You say that this stuff would make the Gestapo, KGB, and Stasi proud. Of course it would; the CIA is one of their classmates, and always has been.

aragot 12y ago
Do we have figures about how many people have been tortured? Even if 1 is too much for me, many people think in terms of "It's ok because it's a remote risk".
- waterlesscloud 12y ago
  39 people were subjected to "enhanced interrogation techniques", according to this report.
  - sp332 12y ago
    Is that a total number? Because this isn't the whole report, this is just the executive summary. The full (classified) report goes on for over 6,000 pages.
    - waterlesscloud 12y ago
      It's the number the executive report gives as the total. There's no reason to believe they're not counting them all.
      - lotsofmangos 12y ago
        I just checked, that isn't what the report says at all. They say "at least 39" and say that there are at least 17 other people who were tortured without central office even being notified. Also, these numbers are from one CIA program, not all CIA programs. And it specifically does not include people where the interrogators did anything outside guidelines, so the worst atrocities are not counted on this list at all. This list does not include examples in which CIA inten-ogators were authorized to use the CIA's enhanced interrogation techniques, but then implemented the techniques in a manner that diverged from the authorization. Examples include Abu Zubair^®^ and, as detailed, KSM, whose intenogators developed methods of applying the waterboard in a manner that differed from how the technique had previously been used and how it had been described to the Department of Justice. This count also excludes additional allegations of the unauthorized use of the CIA's enhanced interrogation techniques.
        waterlesscloud 12y ago
        Where's that quote from? I can't find it in the report. What I did find, on page 101 is this: "Over the course ofthe CIA program, at least 39 detainees were subjected to one or more of the CIA's enhanced interrogation techniques.CIA records indicate that there were at least 17 CIA detainees who were subjected to one or more CIA enhanced interrogation techniques without CIA Headquarters approval. This count includes detainees who were approved for the use of some techniques, but were subjected to unapproved techniques, as well as detainees for whom interrogators had no approvals to use any of the techniques" This passage indicates that those 17 tortured outside the approval process are accounted for. I don't see anything showing there were others outside the 39.
        lotsofmangos 12y ago
- hindsightbias 12y ago
  Thousands and thousands http://www.ipsnews.net/2013/03/torture-victims-in-el-salvador-speak-out/ http://www.ipsnews.net/2013/03/torture-victims-in-el-salvado... http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article9551.htm http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article9551.htm

aragot 12y ago

Do we have figures about how many people have been tortured? Even if 1 is too much for me, many people think in terms of "It's ok because it's a remote risk".

waterlesscloud 12y ago
39 people were subjected to "enhanced interrogation techniques", according to this report.
- sp332 12y ago
  Is that a total number? Because this isn't the whole report, this is just the executive summary. The full (classified) report goes on for over 6,000 pages.
  - waterlesscloud 12y ago
    It's the number the executive report gives as the total. There's no reason to believe they're not counting them all.
    - lotsofmangos 12y ago
      I just checked, that isn't what the report says at all. They say "at least 39" and say that there are at least 17 other people who were tortured without central office even being notified. Also, these numbers are from one CIA program, not all CIA programs. And it specifically does not include people where the interrogators did anything outside guidelines, so the worst atrocities are not counted on this list at all. This list does not include examples in which CIA inten-ogators were authorized to use the CIA's enhanced interrogation techniques, but then implemented the techniques in a manner that diverged from the authorization. Examples include Abu Zubair^®^ and, as detailed, KSM, whose intenogators developed methods of applying the waterboard in a manner that differed from how the technique had previously been used and how it had been described to the Department of Justice. This count also excludes additional allegations of the unauthorized use of the CIA's enhanced interrogation techniques.
      - waterlesscloud 12y ago
        Where's that quote from? I can't find it in the report. What I did find, on page 101 is this: "Over the course ofthe CIA program, at least 39 detainees were subjected to one or more of the CIA's enhanced interrogation techniques.CIA records indicate that there were at least 17 CIA detainees who were subjected to one or more CIA enhanced interrogation techniques without CIA Headquarters approval. This count includes detainees who were approved for the use of some techniques, but were subjected to unapproved techniques, as well as detainees for whom interrogators had no approvals to use any of the techniques" This passage indicates that those 17 tortured outside the approval process are accounted for. I don't see anything showing there were others outside the 39.
        lotsofmangos 12y ago
hindsightbias 12y ago
Thousands and thousands http://www.ipsnews.net/2013/03/torture-victims-in-el-salvador-speak-out/ http://www.ipsnews.net/2013/03/torture-victims-in-el-salvado... http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article9551.htm http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article9551.htm