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I simply use Make for all my web projects, whether it's a Ruby JSON API, or a React front-end. It's reliable, pre-installed everywhere, and can wrap anything in

by SeoxyS 12y ago

I simply use Make for all my web projects, whether it's a Ruby JSON API, or a React front-end. It's reliable, pre-installed everywhere, and can wrap anything in one consistent CLI. Why have to remember whether to type lein repl, pry, or rails console, when make repl will do everytime? Ditto, bundle install, npm install, lein deps => make deps. make server can easily wrap whatever command launches the server, make dev can easily use a filesystem watching tool to restart make server on any change. And beyond that, make can be used as usual to "compile" the project, ie. run whatever static analysis and preprocessing is necessary in the web world (jshint, jsx etc.).

dickeytk 12y ago
keep in mind that make isn't going to work on Windows. For a lot of people, that's okay (including myself). Still, a ton of developers still work on Windows.
- fit2rule 12y ago
  And its different for Windows users who want to use Grunt, how exactly?
  - xrstf 12y ago
    It's different in the way that it's trivial to use npm to install grunt and run builds on Windows, but not trivial to get a Makefile to run (if you don't want to resort to running cygwin bashs all the time).
    - nraynaud 12y ago
      my recollection from my windows times, is that cygwin is a pain to install and slow too, so there is no free lunch.
      - rbanffy 12y ago
        > is a pain to install They have a setup.exe that downloads the components you select. I gather it's not as painless as "apt-get install cygwin" would be, but it's as painless as installing Windows software is. > and slow too They are painting a Linux-environment on top of a Windows OS. That's no small feat. In return you get a sensible file space, a decent command line and all the development tools you'd need on Linux. It's slower than a Linux box running on the metal, but it's as fast as a VM would be and has direct access to the host operating system (and, for me, a working Python environment where I can simply say "pip install ipython" and everything just works. I would not even consider working from Windows without it.
    - fit2rule 12y ago
      You can't use make to install grunt on Windows?
      - Already__Taken 12y ago
        You have to install make some how. That's the problem. You're tying all these cross platform tools together with something that isn't cross platform. Grats.
        rbanffy 12y ago
        You can make your life difficult if you so desire, but you can also simply install Cygwin and be happy.
- pjmlp 12y ago
  Actually make isn't even fully portable across POSIX systems. Unless you make sure only to use these features http://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/009695399/utilities/make.html http://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/009695399/utilities/mak... Same thing for any external tool used in the scripts.
  - vidarh 12y ago
    Thankfully most of us can safely disregard all but a tiny subset of POSIX-like systems.
- Too 12y ago
  Make works great in cygwin.
numbnuts 12y ago
We default to Make too since we're all (all two of us) running a *nix OS. I'm currently sub-contracting for an agency with devs all running Windows so I'm hoping `npm run` works well enough. If I had it my way I'd just tell them to install MinGW but they might take that as me telling them to go fuck themselves.
WorldWideWayne 12y ago
> Why have to remember whether to type lein repl, pry, or rails console, when make repl will do everytime? This is why I don't think the CLI is a very efficient interface for operating the computer. There are more commands than you can remember so, you're forced to take the commands that you can't remember or be bothered to type in and stick them into a file, thereby creating new commands that must be identified, understood and remembered by the next developer who should really only use them if they know all of the original commands in the file.

by SeoxyS 12y ago

dickeytk 12y ago

keep in mind that make isn't going to work on Windows. For a lot of people, that's okay (including myself). Still, a ton of developers still work on Windows.

fit2rule 12y ago
And its different for Windows users who want to use Grunt, how exactly?
- xrstf 12y ago
  It's different in the way that it's trivial to use npm to install grunt and run builds on Windows, but not trivial to get a Makefile to run (if you don't want to resort to running cygwin bashs all the time).
  - nraynaud 12y ago
    my recollection from my windows times, is that cygwin is a pain to install and slow too, so there is no free lunch.
    - rbanffy 12y ago
      > is a pain to install They have a setup.exe that downloads the components you select. I gather it's not as painless as "apt-get install cygwin" would be, but it's as painless as installing Windows software is. > and slow too They are painting a Linux-environment on top of a Windows OS. That's no small feat. In return you get a sensible file space, a decent command line and all the development tools you'd need on Linux. It's slower than a Linux box running on the metal, but it's as fast as a VM would be and has direct access to the host operating system (and, for me, a working Python environment where I can simply say "pip install ipython" and everything just works. I would not even consider working from Windows without it.
  - fit2rule 12y ago
    You can't use make to install grunt on Windows?
    - Already__Taken 12y ago
      You have to install make some how. That's the problem. You're tying all these cross platform tools together with something that isn't cross platform. Grats.
      - rbanffy 12y ago
        You can make your life difficult if you so desire, but you can also simply install Cygwin and be happy.
pjmlp 12y ago
Actually make isn't even fully portable across POSIX systems. Unless you make sure only to use these features http://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/009695399/utilities/make.html http://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/009695399/utilities/mak... Same thing for any external tool used in the scripts.
- vidarh 12y ago
  Thankfully most of us can safely disregard all but a tiny subset of POSIX-like systems.
Too 12y ago
Make works great in cygwin.

numbnuts 12y ago

We default to Make too since we're all (all two of us) running a *nix OS. I'm currently sub-contracting for an agency with devs all running Windows so I'm hoping `npm run` works well enough. If I had it my way I'd just tell them to install MinGW but they might take that as me telling them to go fuck themselves.

WorldWideWayne 12y ago

> Why have to remember whether to type lein repl, pry, or rails console, when make repl will do everytime? This is why I don't think the CLI is a very efficient interface for operating the computer. There are more commands than you can remember so, you're forced to take the commands that you can't remember or be bothered to type in and stick them into a file, thereby creating new commands that must be identified, understood and remembered by the next developer who should really only use them if they know all of the original commands in the file.