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I would urge you to re-think your writing. "The rape wouldn't have even been an issue" indicates that you haven't thought very deeply about rape; if this woman

by kaitai 12y ago

I would urge you to re-think your writing. "The rape wouldn't have even been an issue" indicates that you haven't thought very deeply about rape; if this woman was raped, it is certainly still an issue whether Uber can legally cover its ass or not. It is unfortunate how popular your opinion is among young men: rape really isn't an issue; lots of "angry ex-girlfriends" and "intoxication" skewing those reports (factually incorrect, my friend). Being raped really sucks and is a continuing issue for those who experience it and those around them.

gizmo686 12y ago
"The rape wouldn't have even been an issue [for Uber]"
- kaitai 12y ago
  It would still be an issue for Uber -- if nothing else, it's bad customer service and indicative of poor quality control. Can't people even admit that? If someone was complaining about being overcharged, everyone would accept it without question and wouldn't say "it's not an issue" for Uber/consumer/whoever. But it seems that being overcharged is a complaint that is legitimate because men believe that it happens without the customer being in the wrong. Rape, on the other hand...
  - gizmo686 12y ago
    Companies have bad employees. People intuitively understand and forgive that. People are much less forgiving if the company does not help in dealing with its bad employees, or (is perceived to) have an unusually high number of them.
piyush_soni 12y ago
While the grandparent comment didn't claim his statement as a fact, you are mentioning your contradictory statement as a 'fact' (factually incorrect? What?) Being raped really sucks, yes, and IMO the rapist should get the most severe punishment imaginable, but being falsely accused of rape is even worse - it destroys the whole career and life of an innocent man - and this is something that happens a lot in India and anyone having a few contacts in Police knows that. Also, not sure about other countries, in India a woman's statement is enough for a man to be arrested immediately, even if it was a false accusation.
- anu_gupta 12y ago
  > Being raped really sucks, yes, > but being falsely accused of rape is even worse Wow. Just wow. I'm pretty disgusted by this comment. Hopefully you've just phrased it badly, and can edit it to make it less like you're saying that men get a bum deal in India.
- kaitai 12y ago
  Thanks for confirming that rape is less important than a man's reputation :) Women know that already. That's why many don't report. Having seen people report rape in the US, it is certainly not enough for anyone to be arrested immediately. There's the question of evidence, and whether anyone will look at the evidence, and whether the victim can be talked into ignoring it. In 2013 there were about 20,000 untested rape kits in Texas alone -- 20,000 crimes that were reported, where a woman had semen, hair, and other evidence collected through an invasive procedure, that were entirely ignored [1]. And that's only reported rapes. None of my friends who have been sexually assaulted have ever reported it (although these were all assaults by "friends", not strangers). They just wanted it to go away. To top it off, in many locations in the US women still have to pay for their own evidence collection. If you haven't got the $600-$1200 it takes to pay for the exams yourself, you're out of luck on the prosecution front! (Yes, this is sort of illegal, but it's still happening [2].) So rest easy -- come to the US where a woman's statement will probably be ignored for a long time [3]. [1] http://www.texastribune.org/2013/01/04/clearing-texas-rape-kit-backlog-brings-hefty-price/ http://www.texastribune.org/2013/01/04/clearing-texas-rape-k... [2] http://www.nola.com/health/index.ssf/2014/09/state_leaders_policy_makers_ca.html http://www.nola.com/health/index.ssf/2014/09/state_leaders_p... [3] http://gawker.com/who-wants-to-remember-bill-cosbys-multiple-sex-assaul-1515923178 http://gawker.com/who-wants-to-remember-bill-cosbys-multiple...
  - piyush_soni 12y ago
    No, I wouldn't say that had it 'just' been some reputation. As I already said an actual rapist should get the severest punishment imaginable, but I repeat, in a country like India, a man's (and his family's) entire life is ruined when he's falsely accused of rape. No one will befriend them, no one will lend them money, no one will marry even their siblings! I'm surprised that people here are so the unaware of the severity of a false accusation (may be just a cultural difference. In India it's a big social taboo). A girl falsely accusing (once proved to be false) a man of rape should get at least the same punishment in jail the man would have got had he been guilty. I'm sorry for the state of affairs in the US about the claimed report ratio of the crime - however, a mere statement of anyone, by itself should never lead to an arrest, be it a man or a woman, because in a lot of cases there are ulterior motives in play.

by kaitai 12y ago

gizmo686 12y ago

"The rape wouldn't have even been an issue [for Uber]"

kaitai 12y ago
It would still be an issue for Uber -- if nothing else, it's bad customer service and indicative of poor quality control. Can't people even admit that? If someone was complaining about being overcharged, everyone would accept it without question and wouldn't say "it's not an issue" for Uber/consumer/whoever. But it seems that being overcharged is a complaint that is legitimate because men believe that it happens without the customer being in the wrong. Rape, on the other hand...
- gizmo686 12y ago
  Companies have bad employees. People intuitively understand and forgive that. People are much less forgiving if the company does not help in dealing with its bad employees, or (is perceived to) have an unusually high number of them.

piyush_soni 12y ago

While the grandparent comment didn't claim his statement as a fact, you are mentioning your contradictory statement as a 'fact' (factually incorrect? What?) Being raped really sucks, yes, and IMO the rapist should get the most severe punishment imaginable, but being falsely accused of rape is even worse - it destroys the whole career and life of an innocent man - and this is something that happens a lot in India and anyone having a few contacts in Police knows that. Also, not sure about other countries, in India a woman's statement is enough for a man to be arrested immediately, even if it was a false accusation.

anu_gupta 12y ago
> Being raped really sucks, yes, > but being falsely accused of rape is even worse Wow. Just wow. I'm pretty disgusted by this comment. Hopefully you've just phrased it badly, and can edit it to make it less like you're saying that men get a bum deal in India.
kaitai 12y ago
Thanks for confirming that rape is less important than a man's reputation :) Women know that already. That's why many don't report. Having seen people report rape in the US, it is certainly not enough for anyone to be arrested immediately. There's the question of evidence, and whether anyone will look at the evidence, and whether the victim can be talked into ignoring it. In 2013 there were about 20,000 untested rape kits in Texas alone -- 20,000 crimes that were reported, where a woman had semen, hair, and other evidence collected through an invasive procedure, that were entirely ignored [1]. And that's only reported rapes. None of my friends who have been sexually assaulted have ever reported it (although these were all assaults by "friends", not strangers). They just wanted it to go away. To top it off, in many locations in the US women still have to pay for their own evidence collection. If you haven't got the $600-$1200 it takes to pay for the exams yourself, you're out of luck on the prosecution front! (Yes, this is sort of illegal, but it's still happening [2].) So rest easy -- come to the US where a woman's statement will probably be ignored for a long time [3]. [1] http://www.texastribune.org/2013/01/04/clearing-texas-rape-kit-backlog-brings-hefty-price/ http://www.texastribune.org/2013/01/04/clearing-texas-rape-k... [2] http://www.nola.com/health/index.ssf/2014/09/state_leaders_policy_makers_ca.html http://www.nola.com/health/index.ssf/2014/09/state_leaders_p... [3] http://gawker.com/who-wants-to-remember-bill-cosbys-multiple-sex-assaul-1515923178 http://gawker.com/who-wants-to-remember-bill-cosbys-multiple...
- piyush_soni 12y ago
  No, I wouldn't say that had it 'just' been some reputation. As I already said an actual rapist should get the severest punishment imaginable, but I repeat, in a country like India, a man's (and his family's) entire life is ruined when he's falsely accused of rape. No one will befriend them, no one will lend them money, no one will marry even their siblings! I'm surprised that people here are so the unaware of the severity of a false accusation (may be just a cultural difference. In India it's a big social taboo). A girl falsely accusing (once proved to be false) a man of rape should get at least the same punishment in jail the man would have got had he been guilty. I'm sorry for the state of affairs in the US about the claimed report ratio of the crime - however, a mere statement of anyone, by itself should never lead to an arrest, be it a man or a woman, because in a lot of cases there are ulterior motives in play.