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I would just like to point out, that the crimes aren't necessarily under-reported (i.e. 706 reported), rather, there was not enough evidence to convict. I woul

I would just like to point out, that the crimes aren't necessarily under-reported (i.e. 706 reported), rather, there was not enough evidence to convict. I would still argue that there is a high amount of under-reporting because people are embarrassed, just want to put it behind them, etc. However, I also feel a large number of the reported cases are skewed due to angry ex-girlfriends, intoxication, etc. Specifically, in this case if he was not convicted it's not the responsibility of Uber to disclose that information (instead it's the driver). Uber (in the U.S.) cannot even disclose if someone was accused of rape (unless there was a felony conviction), conversely it is the drivers responsibility to share any convictions upfront (though a background check should still be done). Overall, I believe this has more to do with Uber's business practices. The rape wouldn't have even been an issue if Uber was capable of helping the police or explaining some basic questions. In other words, if Uber was able to say, "We did a background check, and he wasn't convicted" then there wouldn't have been an issue. However, Uber couldn't even be contacted, and was breaking transportation laws.

dethstar 12y ago
>I would just like to point out, that the crimes aren't necessarily under-reported (i.e. 706 reported) They were saying it is a generally under-reported crime. Saying that there was 706 reported cases doesn't change anything. https://www.rainn.org/get-information/statistics/reporting-rates https://www.rainn.org/get-information/statistics/reporting-r... Overall, your "feel" about a large number of reported cases being skewed are nothing but a feel. Proves nothing.
- ajkjk 12y ago
  It's insane to discredit a valid point for being 'nothing but a feel'. You don't know if it's nothing or not. OP doesn't claim to prove anything and anyone reading can see that.
  - dethstar 12y ago
    Well, false reports can not be considered false unless withdrew by the accuser. Otherwise is just a shot in the dark. It is completely valid to discredit a point with no source. And there's sources that say it is 2% false accusations (like most other crimes) and there's sources that says is 40%. Why are numbers so separate from each other? Because it's a shot in the dark.
    - milesskorpen 12y ago
      Withdrawn != false. There are many other reasons (social pressure, for example) why someone might withdraw an accusation. Particularly when the legal system is extremely unlikely to convict.
kaitai 12y ago
I would urge you to re-think your writing. "The rape wouldn't have even been an issue" indicates that you haven't thought very deeply about rape; if this woman was raped, it is certainly still an issue whether Uber can legally cover its ass or not. It is unfortunate how popular your opinion is among young men: rape really isn't an issue; lots of "angry ex-girlfriends" and "intoxication" skewing those reports (factually incorrect, my friend). Being raped really sucks and is a continuing issue for those who experience it and those around them.
- gizmo686 12y ago
  "The rape wouldn't have even been an issue [for Uber]"
  - kaitai 12y ago
    It would still be an issue for Uber -- if nothing else, it's bad customer service and indicative of poor quality control. Can't people even admit that? If someone was complaining about being overcharged, everyone would accept it without question and wouldn't say "it's not an issue" for Uber/consumer/whoever. But it seems that being overcharged is a complaint that is legitimate because men believe that it happens without the customer being in the wrong. Rape, on the other hand...
    - gizmo686 12y ago
      Companies have bad employees. People intuitively understand and forgive that. People are much less forgiving if the company does not help in dealing with its bad employees, or (is perceived to) have an unusually high number of them.
- piyush_soni 12y ago
  While the grandparent comment didn't claim his statement as a fact, you are mentioning your contradictory statement as a 'fact' (factually incorrect? What?) Being raped really sucks, yes, and IMO the rapist should get the most severe punishment imaginable, but being falsely accused of rape is even worse - it destroys the whole career and life of an innocent man - and this is something that happens a lot in India and anyone having a few contacts in Police knows that. Also, not sure about other countries, in India a woman's statement is enough for a man to be arrested immediately, even if it was a false accusation.
anu_gupta 12y ago
> However, I also feel a large number of the reported cases are skewed due to angry ex-girlfriends, intoxication, etc. What are you actually trying to say here? How are these cases skewed?
- tormeh 12y ago
  That some accusations are not true, and that some rape never leads to accusations. Most rape is not ever reported, because of the psychological impact it has, and the kind of people clever rapists rape. The rapes that are reported stand in line with a sizable amount of accusations that are false. Sadly, for a jury to tease apart the liars from the valid accusers is hard. It's worse than chance, actually, because rape victims often react to talking about it, especially with the rapist in the room, in a manner which makes them look unconvincing. What were you implying? That there's some easy answer here?
  - anu_gupta 12y ago
    The use of "skewed" in that sentence doesn't make sense to me, and I'm trying to understand what he means. Is he saying that angry ex-girlfriends make false rape claims, which thus 'skew' the numbers, or does he mean something else? Why would you think I'm implying anything?

dethstar 12y ago

>I would just like to point out, that the crimes aren't necessarily under-reported (i.e. 706 reported) They were saying it is a generally under-reported crime. Saying that there was 706 reported cases doesn't change anything. https://www.rainn.org/get-information/statistics/reporting-rates https://www.rainn.org/get-information/statistics/reporting-r... Overall, your "feel" about a large number of reported cases being skewed are nothing but a feel. Proves nothing.

ajkjk 12y ago
It's insane to discredit a valid point for being 'nothing but a feel'. You don't know if it's nothing or not. OP doesn't claim to prove anything and anyone reading can see that.
- dethstar 12y ago
  Well, false reports can not be considered false unless withdrew by the accuser. Otherwise is just a shot in the dark. It is completely valid to discredit a point with no source. And there's sources that say it is 2% false accusations (like most other crimes) and there's sources that says is 40%. Why are numbers so separate from each other? Because it's a shot in the dark.
  - milesskorpen 12y ago
    Withdrawn != false. There are many other reasons (social pressure, for example) why someone might withdraw an accusation. Particularly when the legal system is extremely unlikely to convict.

kaitai 12y ago

I would urge you to re-think your writing. "The rape wouldn't have even been an issue" indicates that you haven't thought very deeply about rape; if this woman was raped, it is certainly still an issue whether Uber can legally cover its ass or not. It is unfortunate how popular your opinion is among young men: rape really isn't an issue; lots of "angry ex-girlfriends" and "intoxication" skewing those reports (factually incorrect, my friend). Being raped really sucks and is a continuing issue for those who experience it and those around them.

gizmo686 12y ago
"The rape wouldn't have even been an issue [for Uber]"
- kaitai 12y ago
  It would still be an issue for Uber -- if nothing else, it's bad customer service and indicative of poor quality control. Can't people even admit that? If someone was complaining about being overcharged, everyone would accept it without question and wouldn't say "it's not an issue" for Uber/consumer/whoever. But it seems that being overcharged is a complaint that is legitimate because men believe that it happens without the customer being in the wrong. Rape, on the other hand...
  - gizmo686 12y ago
    Companies have bad employees. People intuitively understand and forgive that. People are much less forgiving if the company does not help in dealing with its bad employees, or (is perceived to) have an unusually high number of them.
piyush_soni 12y ago
While the grandparent comment didn't claim his statement as a fact, you are mentioning your contradictory statement as a 'fact' (factually incorrect? What?) Being raped really sucks, yes, and IMO the rapist should get the most severe punishment imaginable, but being falsely accused of rape is even worse - it destroys the whole career and life of an innocent man - and this is something that happens a lot in India and anyone having a few contacts in Police knows that. Also, not sure about other countries, in India a woman's statement is enough for a man to be arrested immediately, even if it was a false accusation.

anu_gupta 12y ago

> However, I also feel a large number of the reported cases are skewed due to angry ex-girlfriends, intoxication, etc. What are you actually trying to say here? How are these cases skewed?

tormeh 12y ago
That some accusations are not true, and that some rape never leads to accusations. Most rape is not ever reported, because of the psychological impact it has, and the kind of people clever rapists rape. The rapes that are reported stand in line with a sizable amount of accusations that are false. Sadly, for a jury to tease apart the liars from the valid accusers is hard. It's worse than chance, actually, because rape victims often react to talking about it, especially with the rapist in the room, in a manner which makes them look unconvincing. What were you implying? That there's some easy answer here?
- anu_gupta 12y ago
  The use of "skewed" in that sentence doesn't make sense to me, and I'm trying to understand what he means. Is he saying that angry ex-girlfriends make false rape claims, which thus 'skew' the numbers, or does he mean something else? Why would you think I'm implying anything?