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Isn't it kinda racist to say "people from Bangalore and Hyderabad"? As I'm sure many people from Hyderabad and Bangalore are very competent people who are will

Isn't it kinda racist to say "people from Bangalore and Hyderabad"? As I'm sure many people from Hyderabad and Bangalore are very competent people who are willing to pay for support. How would you feel if people replaced Bangalore and Hyderabad with London and Liverpool? Even if there are people like what you describe that live there?

nkuttler 12y ago
The truth is never racist, it's just a fact. I'm not saying parent's description is accurate, but distorting facts to conform to somebody's desire for political correctness is on a similar level of despicableness as racism itself, imo.
- ClashTheBunny 12y ago
  But the parent lacks facts, therefore it is not proven true. Just leave out this one sentence: "My entire inbox was filled with people from Bangalore and Hyderabad asking me to do whatever work was outsourced to them." Do you seriously think that they had 15GB of email? It's a pretty small email provider that doesn't support much space and filters. I think "entire" and "filled" are most likely examples of exaggeration, not facts. Was it really "Bangalore and Hyderabad"? They had it in the signature of the email? They did a statistical analysis on where they came from? None were from Eastern Europe, Japan, the US, England, or college students? Most English native speakers I know have horrible written communication skills. This is also most likely exaggeration, not facts. Even if you traced the IPs of the messages you would still not be able to claim location, we all know how IPs do not correspond 1:1 to physical people. He knows that they were doing it because they were outsourced to? They stated that in their questions? I would love to see some evidence of this. Even if they did "fill" his inbox, with messages truthfully stating they were from Hyderabad and Bangalore, they also told him that it was work that was outsourced to them? I doubt that is even exaggeration for effect. I would like to see this 15GB archive of email showing that proves this is true. Either that, or it seems to be a gross generalization targeted at a specific race or group of people. Which isn't just racist to people who have fallen victim to over sensitivity in service of political correctness.
  - nailer 12y ago
    It's targeted as a specific group of people: outsource workers. That you conflate that with race says a lot about you.
- rtpg 12y ago
  He didn't post entire logs, but he mentioned their origins, as if it were important. That is what could be racist. Mentioning race in situations where it isn't important implies correlation on the part of the speaker.
wolf550e 12y ago
If it is literally true that 80% of the emails were from India, then it's not racist to say so.
- ClashTheBunny 12y ago
  Why does a statement being 80% true make it true? Could 80% of 80% of it being true make it true enough? You can just keep multiplying until you get to one email being enough.
general_failure 12y ago
What's racist in stating a fact?
- zo1 12y ago
  Judging by the way the racism card has been thrown around in the media lately, I'd say something like this is very likely to happen (if it weren't for it's ridiculousness): "Study finds library XYZ has only 5% of minority A. Therefore, library XYZ is unfairly discriminating against minority A". They then go backwards to post-rationalize and assign reasoning/causation in order to 'explain' the discrepancy. "Well, 20% of all developers are of minority A, therefore they are not fairly represented if there are only 5% of them using this library."
DamnYuppie 12y ago
Racism isn't the statement of a facts, racism holds that people should be treated differently based on their ethnicity or culture. As see nothing in the parent comment that is stating people should be treated one way or another.
- ClashTheBunny 12y ago
  Does stating something make it true? I don't see any facts being backed up in the op. Stating things that are backed up by data help, but I would say that any time that ethnicity or country of origin are the only thing that you measure, you end up making the picture more cloudy. There are things that span ethnicities and cultures such as education, IQ, and work ethic that predict much more about success and failure than ethnicity or culture. You've probably heard this before, but correlation is far from causation.

nkuttler 12y ago

The truth is never racist, it's just a fact. I'm not saying parent's description is accurate, but distorting facts to conform to somebody's desire for political correctness is on a similar level of despicableness as racism itself, imo.

ClashTheBunny 12y ago
But the parent lacks facts, therefore it is not proven true. Just leave out this one sentence: "My entire inbox was filled with people from Bangalore and Hyderabad asking me to do whatever work was outsourced to them." Do you seriously think that they had 15GB of email? It's a pretty small email provider that doesn't support much space and filters. I think "entire" and "filled" are most likely examples of exaggeration, not facts. Was it really "Bangalore and Hyderabad"? They had it in the signature of the email? They did a statistical analysis on where they came from? None were from Eastern Europe, Japan, the US, England, or college students? Most English native speakers I know have horrible written communication skills. This is also most likely exaggeration, not facts. Even if you traced the IPs of the messages you would still not be able to claim location, we all know how IPs do not correspond 1:1 to physical people. He knows that they were doing it because they were outsourced to? They stated that in their questions? I would love to see some evidence of this. Even if they did "fill" his inbox, with messages truthfully stating they were from Hyderabad and Bangalore, they also told him that it was work that was outsourced to them? I doubt that is even exaggeration for effect. I would like to see this 15GB archive of email showing that proves this is true. Either that, or it seems to be a gross generalization targeted at a specific race or group of people. Which isn't just racist to people who have fallen victim to over sensitivity in service of political correctness.
- nailer 12y ago
  It's targeted as a specific group of people: outsource workers. That you conflate that with race says a lot about you.
rtpg 12y ago
He didn't post entire logs, but he mentioned their origins, as if it were important. That is what could be racist. Mentioning race in situations where it isn't important implies correlation on the part of the speaker.

wolf550e 12y ago

If it is literally true that 80% of the emails were from India, then it's not racist to say so.

ClashTheBunny 12y ago
Why does a statement being 80% true make it true? Could 80% of 80% of it being true make it true enough? You can just keep multiplying until you get to one email being enough.

general_failure 12y ago

What's racist in stating a fact?

zo1 12y ago
Judging by the way the racism card has been thrown around in the media lately, I'd say something like this is very likely to happen (if it weren't for it's ridiculousness): "Study finds library XYZ has only 5% of minority A. Therefore, library XYZ is unfairly discriminating against minority A". They then go backwards to post-rationalize and assign reasoning/causation in order to 'explain' the discrepancy. "Well, 20% of all developers are of minority A, therefore they are not fairly represented if there are only 5% of them using this library."

DamnYuppie 12y ago

Racism isn't the statement of a facts, racism holds that people should be treated differently based on their ethnicity or culture. As see nothing in the parent comment that is stating people should be treated one way or another.

ClashTheBunny 12y ago
Does stating something make it true? I don't see any facts being backed up in the op. Stating things that are backed up by data help, but I would say that any time that ethnicity or country of origin are the only thing that you measure, you end up making the picture more cloudy. There are things that span ethnicities and cultures such as education, IQ, and work ethic that predict much more about success and failure than ethnicity or culture. You've probably heard this before, but correlation is far from causation.