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To be honest, I hope these guys are going to jail. You must be a fool to believe that they don't own the pirate bay anymore, or are not associated with the key
by anApple 17y ago
To be honest, I hope these guys are going to jail.
You must be a fool to believe that they don't own the pirate bay anymore, or are not associated with the keyman islands shell company running the company.
Alone mininova disclosed making > 1 million of profit a year, piratebay's profit must be much bigger, all from the copyrighted works of others.
Most of you wouldn't support piratebay anymore if your program/source code showed up there, except if it's opensource.
- rimantas 17y agoexcept that source code couldn't possibly show on piratebay.
- Quarrelsome 17y agoWith source code the major economic benefit is understanding and being able to modify that code, less so the code itself. Source code available on pirate bay is useless unless someone spends a lot of time / money on figuring out how it works. This is why people can write in scripting languages without worrying about the "openness" of the source.
- eli 17y agoIt's disappointing that so many people are downvoting this comment just because they disagree with you. I think the truth is more nuanced than that, but you have a perfectly valid opinion.
- anApple 17y agoThanks, I don't write comments to harvest karma, but just to state my opinion. :-)
- Quarrelsome 17y agoI think it would more apt if both sides go to jail, neither is the answer to the future of artistic works. On one side a bunch of cartels that IMO should be investigated by the monopolies and mergers commission and on the other freetards that don't provide a realistic revenue model for artists.
- unalone 17y agoThe pirates aren't freetards. I resent your accusation. The current model isn't working if it's so easily subverted. The solution is to figure out a model that's pirate-proof. They exist.
- tjogin 17y agoSpotify is huge in Sweden, TPB's home. According to a survey, [the vast majority] of Spotify users have stopped pirating. I think this proves you are right.
- thunk 17y agoPirate-proof in the sense that works can't be pirated? Or pirate-proof in the sense that piracy is unnecessary because works are already free? I'm pretty sure the former is impossible.
- unalone 17y agoThe former's impossible in the paradigm where the only way to make money off music is to sell songs. That's not true, though. A few of the models I'm going to be experimenting with: Raising money before you release an album, with certain perks given to people that pay the money for release. Offering special exclusives that people can choose to pay for, that most people interested in just music won't bother pirating. That's why I'm excited for the iTunes LP: It's an idea that's worth money even after you own the music, that appeals to fans and less to casual criminals. I'm currently thinking of launching an ARG with a future music project. I think that launching a video game through an album distribution would be really fun and potentially really profitable.
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- trafficlight 17y agoI'm disappointed they are gone. I used the Pirate Bay as my primary tracker for distributing my music free of charge.
- tjogin 17y agoI understand your position, but the thing is that there is no proof for either of the claims you are making: * Not that they own TPB (the Swedish IRS have even concluded that they do not.) * Not that TPB are making any money. While they must have some revenue (from banner clicks), it is not at all certain that it exceeds the costs of running the website. It's possible for both claims to be true, but it's not proven. I, for one, do not wish people who haven't been proven guilty to go to jail. I certainly don't think that your hunch that they probably do own it should suffice. As a bonus, keep in mind that the crime they're charged with is is something as flimsy as "aiding" unspecified crimes against copyright — that's right, the copyright crimes that they are supposed to have aided are unspecified, and nobody has been accused of committing those.
- anApple 17y ago- The Swedish IRS can claim whatever they want. They don't have access to the bank accounts on these islands, so how should they know if some of them are affilated to that company. - It is completely irrelevant if the TPB is making money or not. And I bet it does a hell lot, or otherwise they wouldn't been so keen to go to jail.
- tjogin 17y agoThe Swedish IRS aren't making any claim. They just can't find any proof that the TPB has anything to do with the accused. And without proof, they don't. What? That makes no sense what so ever. How does TPB's hypothetical revenue increase the chance that the accused own TPB?
- pyre 17y ago> And I bet it does a hell lot, or otherwise they wouldn't been so keen to go to jail. No offense, but sometimes people are willing to stand up and fight for what they believe in. Just because what they believe in is something that you disagree with doesn't make them any less willing to possibly sacrifice themselves for their cause. I don't believe that the Middle East should be ruled over by Muslim 'overlords' that use the religion as a form of governance, but that doesn't mean that there are no suicide bombers out there willing to further that cause.
- doki_pen 17y agoI think you wouldn't find many "coders" that give a shit if their code is "pirated". For most of them, it's a day job.