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Radical Islam will always hate and try and kill. That is not going to stop even if everyone realizes that statement is true.

by sigzero 12y ago

nitrogen 12y ago
Religion is indeed a powerful motivator, and interpreted certain ways is very dangerous. However, we don't do ourselves any favors by pushing sympathetic moderates towards extremism by waging wars that only serve to open a power vacuum. The world would be safer without religions that deny the rights of others to exist, and would also be safer if violence hadn't been used to encourage more membership in those religions that promote violence.
- bostik 12y ago
  > However, we don't do ourselves any favors by pushing sympathetic moderates towards extremism by waging wars that only serve to open a power vacuum. The law of unintended consequences is a tricky beast. I have pasted this link before, but it bears repeating. It's thorny by design, and happens to snide at US - but they are certainly not the only ones who have succesfully created their own enemies. Usually by supporting and funding earlier allies. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4H_E8b-qmo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4H_E8b-qmo IIRC Iran was a massive source of counterfeit US dollars in the 1980's and early 1990's. The reason? The last Shah of Persia was supported by the US and was even provided with a mint-quality printing press. [0][1] When he fled the country after the 1979 uprising, the printing press was left behind. 0: http://skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/17960/did-usa-send-federal-reserve-system-officers-to-iran-to-print-cash-for-iranian-o http://skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/17960/did-usa-se... 1: http://articles.latimes.com/1992-07-02/news/mn-1906_1_counterfeit-bills http://articles.latimes.com/1992-07-02/news/mn-1906_1_counte... EDIT: made quote appear in italics
- totalforge 12y ago
  The power and authority religion grants the adherent is the key motivator. Power over women, power to kill 'enemies' in the name the faith, and so on.
hotgoldminer 12y ago
We're expanding radical Islam. That's the argument and problem.
- gaius 12y ago
  At a ratio of about 25:1 http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2014/nov/24/-sp-us-drone-strikes-kill-1147 http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2014/nov/24/-sp-us-drone-...
  - hotgoldminer 12y ago
    Shameful shit.
  - sedachv 12y ago
    What's amazing is that Pakistan's government allows the United States to conduct military operations in Pakistan unchecked.
    - Spooky23 12y ago
      Not as much as you think. The government has little power, and generals are always vulnerable to make decisions based on the lucre put at their disposal.
_broody 12y ago
Radical Islam will always go on doing its thing, as long as it has gas to burn. Curiously, the entire West is unwilling to go after the people pulling the strings of radical movements - those who give them money, holed up in so-called 'allies' of the West - Saudi Arabia, Qatar and more. We will go on for decades killing grunts of Radical Islam, all while they take the lives of countless innocents, and not be one inch closer to ending with it. If we had put the sheiks and Imams funding Al Qaeda/ISIS/Hamas/Boko Haram/etc. in prison and frozen their assets, those movements would have died off years ago.
- trendroid 12y ago
  I am interested in finding out more on the funds provided to terrorists groups from Imams and Sheiks in Qatar and Saudi. Can you share some links(concrete evidence)that informed you about this hypothesis?
  - _broody 12y ago
    I don't know the details myself, but it is a position shared by U.S. officials that Saudis are Al Qaeda's prime backers, though not stated officially (it was exposed by Bradley Manning's embassy cable leaks): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saudi_Arabia%E2%80%93United_States_relations#Allegations_of_funding_terrorism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saudi_Arabia%E2%80%93United_Sta... Similarly, it is known that Saudis are the prime backers behind Hamas. Most of their money comes from religious "charities": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas#Funding http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas#Funding

Radical Islam will always hate and try and kill. That is not going to stop even if everyone realizes that statement is true.

by sigzero 12y ago

Radical Islam will always hate and try and kill. That is not going to stop even if everyone realizes that statement is true.

nitrogen 12y ago

Religion is indeed a powerful motivator, and interpreted certain ways is very dangerous. However, we don't do ourselves any favors by pushing sympathetic moderates towards extremism by waging wars that only serve to open a power vacuum. The world would be safer without religions that deny the rights of others to exist, and would also be safer if violence hadn't been used to encourage more membership in those religions that promote violence.

bostik 12y ago
> However, we don't do ourselves any favors by pushing sympathetic moderates towards extremism by waging wars that only serve to open a power vacuum. The law of unintended consequences is a tricky beast. I have pasted this link before, but it bears repeating. It's thorny by design, and happens to snide at US - but they are certainly not the only ones who have succesfully created their own enemies. Usually by supporting and funding earlier allies. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4H_E8b-qmo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4H_E8b-qmo IIRC Iran was a massive source of counterfeit US dollars in the 1980's and early 1990's. The reason? The last Shah of Persia was supported by the US and was even provided with a mint-quality printing press. [0][1] When he fled the country after the 1979 uprising, the printing press was left behind. 0: http://skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/17960/did-usa-send-federal-reserve-system-officers-to-iran-to-print-cash-for-iranian-o http://skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/17960/did-usa-se... 1: http://articles.latimes.com/1992-07-02/news/mn-1906_1_counterfeit-bills http://articles.latimes.com/1992-07-02/news/mn-1906_1_counte... EDIT: made quote appear in italics
totalforge 12y ago
The power and authority religion grants the adherent is the key motivator. Power over women, power to kill 'enemies' in the name the faith, and so on.

hotgoldminer 12y ago

We're expanding radical Islam. That's the argument and problem.

gaius 12y ago
At a ratio of about 25:1 http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2014/nov/24/-sp-us-drone-strikes-kill-1147 http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2014/nov/24/-sp-us-drone-...
- hotgoldminer 12y ago
  Shameful shit.
- sedachv 12y ago
  What's amazing is that Pakistan's government allows the United States to conduct military operations in Pakistan unchecked.
  - Spooky23 12y ago
    Not as much as you think. The government has little power, and generals are always vulnerable to make decisions based on the lucre put at their disposal.

_broody 12y ago

Radical Islam will always go on doing its thing, as long as it has gas to burn. Curiously, the entire West is unwilling to go after the people pulling the strings of radical movements - those who give them money, holed up in so-called 'allies' of the West - Saudi Arabia, Qatar and more. We will go on for decades killing grunts of Radical Islam, all while they take the lives of countless innocents, and not be one inch closer to ending with it. If we had put the sheiks and Imams funding Al Qaeda/ISIS/Hamas/Boko Haram/etc. in prison and frozen their assets, those movements would have died off years ago.

trendroid 12y ago
I am interested in finding out more on the funds provided to terrorists groups from Imams and Sheiks in Qatar and Saudi. Can you share some links(concrete evidence)that informed you about this hypothesis?
- _broody 12y ago
  I don't know the details myself, but it is a position shared by U.S. officials that Saudis are Al Qaeda's prime backers, though not stated officially (it was exposed by Bradley Manning's embassy cable leaks): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saudi_Arabia%E2%80%93United_States_relations#Allegations_of_funding_terrorism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saudi_Arabia%E2%80%93United_Sta... Similarly, it is known that Saudis are the prime backers behind Hamas. Most of their money comes from religious "charities": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas#Funding http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas#Funding