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As someone who have tried clojure a little bit after it was launched , but after a while dropped; my personal view is that Lisps are great for small stuff, but

As someone who have tried clojure a little bit after it was launched , but after a while dropped; my personal view is that Lisps are great for small stuff, but once you need to go for something bigger, with big teams, the thing start to melt down. And here is where OOP shines.. The probable "winners" of the languages of the next decade will be OOP ones that glue well with functional techniques and functional languages that are very good at OOP techniques. F# is really good here, and from the OOP side C# and Java are also running for this trophy (again). Maybe swift.. but we need to see if the adoption will have a limit, given its tied to a closed platform, and its also closed source (But Rich Hickey is a bad ass and the framework design behind clojure is a piece of art)

jared314 12y ago
> but once you need to go for something bigger, with big teams, the thing start to melt down. The people in the Clojure community have already started exploring this issue. Component [1] [2], Jig [3], and others are trying to add just enough OOP back for the reasons you mentioned. [1] https://github.com/stuartsierra/component https://github.com/stuartsierra/component [2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13cmHf_kt-Q https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13cmHf_kt-Q [3] https://github.com/juxt/jig https://github.com/juxt/jig
nickik 12y ago
> after it was launched That is quite a while ago, back then it was mainly one guy who write a compiler, by kmow we have a awesome build and project tool, pretty good editor options, CSP, logic prrogramming, static typesystems, awesome validatiin librarys, a fantastic pattern match ... In terms of organisation, I would suggest looking at the 'components' library, it takrs the good things of OOP design for things like managing services. Clojure has great namespaces also.

jared314 12y ago

> but once you need to go for something bigger, with big teams, the thing start to melt down. The people in the Clojure community have already started exploring this issue. Component [1] [2], Jig [3], and others are trying to add just enough OOP back for the reasons you mentioned. [1] https://github.com/stuartsierra/component https://github.com/stuartsierra/component [2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13cmHf_kt-Q https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13cmHf_kt-Q [3] https://github.com/juxt/jig https://github.com/juxt/jig

nickik 12y ago

> after it was launched That is quite a while ago, back then it was mainly one guy who write a compiler, by kmow we have a awesome build and project tool, pretty good editor options, CSP, logic prrogramming, static typesystems, awesome validatiin librarys, a fantastic pattern match ... In terms of organisation, I would suggest looking at the 'components' library, it takrs the good things of OOP design for things like managing services. Clojure has great namespaces also.