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It's interesting to see how Woz's attitude towards Steve Jobs has changed over the years. In the book The Ultimate History of Video Games (2001), I remember Woz

by cjslep 12y ago

It's interesting to see how Woz's attitude towards Steve Jobs has changed over the years. In the book The Ultimate History of Video Games (2001), I remember Woz being very bitter about Steve Jobs and characterized Steve as someone who would rip you off if he could.

piyush_soni 12y ago
I still think he'd believe the same, but may be he's just learned to be 'politically correct' a bit, just like today's businessmen are.
- justin66 12y ago
  Woz is still fully capable of being blunt, he's just a little more articulate. After the most recent iPhone release he pointed out in an interview that having the larger phone was a positive thing and also pointed out that it couldn't really happen while Jobs was still alive and directing things.
- goatforce5 12y ago
  Time heals all wounds... Or maybe he's thinks there's little to be gained by holding a grudge against a friend who's no longer around.
- coldtea 12y ago
  1) Err, the other guy got sick and died. 2) Many years have passed since that time mentioned by the parent. 3) Woz is not the type to be "politically correct".
  - piyush_soni 12y ago
    >> Err, the other guy got sick and died. So what? Should one's opinion towards another person change when he/she dies? >> Woz is not the type to be "politically correct". Everyone is, to an extent. That's why I used 'may be', because a lot of people who weren't, learn it. I'm not saying it's bad.
    - jevgeni 12y ago
      I'd try not to confuse, how people should behave logically with how they actually behave.
      - coldtea 12y ago
        That. Plus "how should behave logically" can also be illogical. We assume too much when we think of the ideal "logical" stance on things. E.g. in the case of someone dying, the idea that "this should not change our opinion of them" assumes that our opinion of them is correct, and ignores that faced with larger life issues like mortality we might re-evaluate our opinion of the other in a more solid ground. E.g. he did so and so and so for me, whereas I hated him all these years for BS reasons.
        jevgeni 12y ago
        Very well put.
    - coldtea 12y ago
      >So what? Should one's opinion towards another person change when he/she dies? For people from Vulcan it's usually difficult to explain this, because the logical answer is no. In real life though, one's opinion towards another person can and DOES change when he/she dies. Plus, since you're being logical and all, we were discussing whether Woz changed opinion on Jobs, not whether he SHOULD HAVE changed. So the philosophical question "So what? Should one's opinion change...?", etc, doesn't apply to my response. I didn't say it should change (a moral judgement), I just listed the fact that Jobs died as one of three possible factors that might have changed Woz's opinion of him (an estimation of what might happened). But, to answer that too, yes, I think changing opinion about someone when he/she dies it not that bad, and it actually makes sense. Not in all cases, but in some cases sure. Death gives closure to the persons life story and makes you able to see it in perspective. It also makes you think of stuff that you are less trivial than the ones a lot of people focus on when the other person is alive (e.g. petty grudges). Your question assumes the person that dies was in the wrong, and the person that lives should continue to have the same opinion on him. But the other person dying also triggers a re-evaluation of whether our judgement of them was correct or not. How many people regret not being nicer to their father or their spouse when they die, understanding that some things that seemed unsurmountable in separating were actually BS compared to those that should unite them?
soperj 12y ago
How's that being bitter when it's the truth?
- beachstartup 12y ago
  well, it's called the bitter truth, isn't it?
stevewoz 12y ago
"Very bitter" is wrong. We're talking about one comment on one incident. You could find a few more. I have repeatedly said that had Steve Jobs just told me he needed the money he could have had all of it. None of us is perfect 100% of our lives. Steve and I may have had different personalities but I have always been very good at not being judgmental. If someone else is different they are not bad. I am also very forgiving. I have not changed my opinion of Jobs or how I express it. The fact about one ripoff is true and I still acknowledge it out of honesty. I speak of many positive and negative things all the time about Jobs (and other things) but I don't have a script where it comes out the same words each time.
- cjslep 12y ago
  Thank you for setting the record straight for me! I feel pretty bad for getting it wrong this whole time.

by cjslep 12y ago

piyush_soni 12y ago

I still think he'd believe the same, but may be he's just learned to be 'politically correct' a bit, just like today's businessmen are.

justin66 12y ago
Woz is still fully capable of being blunt, he's just a little more articulate. After the most recent iPhone release he pointed out in an interview that having the larger phone was a positive thing and also pointed out that it couldn't really happen while Jobs was still alive and directing things.
goatforce5 12y ago
Time heals all wounds... Or maybe he's thinks there's little to be gained by holding a grudge against a friend who's no longer around.
coldtea 12y ago
1) Err, the other guy got sick and died. 2) Many years have passed since that time mentioned by the parent. 3) Woz is not the type to be "politically correct".
- piyush_soni 12y ago
  >> Err, the other guy got sick and died. So what? Should one's opinion towards another person change when he/she dies? >> Woz is not the type to be "politically correct". Everyone is, to an extent. That's why I used 'may be', because a lot of people who weren't, learn it. I'm not saying it's bad.
  - jevgeni 12y ago
    I'd try not to confuse, how people should behave logically with how they actually behave.
    - coldtea 12y ago
      That. Plus "how should behave logically" can also be illogical. We assume too much when we think of the ideal "logical" stance on things. E.g. in the case of someone dying, the idea that "this should not change our opinion of them" assumes that our opinion of them is correct, and ignores that faced with larger life issues like mortality we might re-evaluate our opinion of the other in a more solid ground. E.g. he did so and so and so for me, whereas I hated him all these years for BS reasons.
      - jevgeni 12y ago
        Very well put.
  - coldtea 12y ago
    >So what? Should one's opinion towards another person change when he/she dies? For people from Vulcan it's usually difficult to explain this, because the logical answer is no. In real life though, one's opinion towards another person can and DOES change when he/she dies. Plus, since you're being logical and all, we were discussing whether Woz changed opinion on Jobs, not whether he SHOULD HAVE changed. So the philosophical question "So what? Should one's opinion change...?", etc, doesn't apply to my response. I didn't say it should change (a moral judgement), I just listed the fact that Jobs died as one of three possible factors that might have changed Woz's opinion of him (an estimation of what might happened). But, to answer that too, yes, I think changing opinion about someone when he/she dies it not that bad, and it actually makes sense. Not in all cases, but in some cases sure. Death gives closure to the persons life story and makes you able to see it in perspective. It also makes you think of stuff that you are less trivial than the ones a lot of people focus on when the other person is alive (e.g. petty grudges). Your question assumes the person that dies was in the wrong, and the person that lives should continue to have the same opinion on him. But the other person dying also triggers a re-evaluation of whether our judgement of them was correct or not. How many people regret not being nicer to their father or their spouse when they die, understanding that some things that seemed unsurmountable in separating were actually BS compared to those that should unite them?

soperj 12y ago

How's that being bitter when it's the truth?

beachstartup 12y ago
well, it's called the bitter truth, isn't it?

stevewoz 12y ago

"Very bitter" is wrong. We're talking about one comment on one incident. You could find a few more. I have repeatedly said that had Steve Jobs just told me he needed the money he could have had all of it. None of us is perfect 100% of our lives. Steve and I may have had different personalities but I have always been very good at not being judgmental. If someone else is different they are not bad. I am also very forgiving. I have not changed my opinion of Jobs or how I express it. The fact about one ripoff is true and I still acknowledge it out of honesty. I speak of many positive and negative things all the time about Jobs (and other things) but I don't have a script where it comes out the same words each time.

cjslep 12y ago
Thank you for setting the record straight for me! I feel pretty bad for getting it wrong this whole time.