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What kind of current can a dime sized nuclear battery supply and at what voltage? All the article says is "useful" amounts of power.

by pmorici 17y ago

tigerthink 17y ago
The University of Missouri team says that the batteries hold a million times as much charge as standard batteries. Does that help?
- bprater 17y ago
  I suspect that is the duration of the charge and not the amount of power it can put out at any given moment.
- m_eiman 17y ago
  No, that says nothing about the current and voltage. It could trickle out a teensy bit of current for a very long time, which wouldn't be useful for e.g. a laptop.
- pmorici 17y ago
  I don't think it does... ...charge is more like the total energy stored in the battery. Amps and Volts will tell you how fast that power can be used. A battery can have a million times the charge but if it can only release that charge over 100 billion years then it isn't going to be able to power small electronics, like cell phones for example.
- drhodes 17y ago
  I believe "a million times as much charge" refers to the total energy content in Joules. The parent was referring to voltage. The original press release from missouri.edu: http://munews.missouri.edu/news-releases/2009/1007-mu-researchers-create-smaller-and-more-efficient-nuclear-battery/ http://munews.missouri.edu/news-releases/2009/1007-mu-resear... It references a published paper (likely behind a pay wall), otherwise the content is almost identical to the original link.
pmorici 17y ago
I found this company, http://www.betabatt.com/index.html http://www.betabatt.com/index.html BetaBatt that makes nuclear powered batteries. They don't give the amps or volts either but, it does say, "[beta batteries can be] Paired with chemical batteries for high current, limited duty cycle applications BetaBatteriesTM increase shelf life and ensure readiness by acting as a trickle charger, thus enhancing capability, reliability and useful life." In other words this dime sized battery probably doesn't have enough current to power electronics continuously w/o some help.
ramchip 17y ago
I have access to the paper. The device is interesting, but as usual journalists want to inflate the balloon some more... They report a maximum of 16.2nW, open-circuit voltage of 899mV, short-circuit of 107.4nA. To give hackers a reference, in its current state, you'd need something like 50,000 of them to power a single 0.85mW Arduino chip. In the U of Missouri article they say "The radioisotope battery can provide power density that is six orders of magnitude higher than chemical batteries", but as far as I can see from the article they're not talking about their own battery; it's a general statement quoted from an old paper (F.K.Manasse,J.J.Pinajian,and A.N.Tse, IEEETrans.Nucl.Sci. 23,8601976). The article in question is "Radioisotope microbattery based on liquid semiconductor" (Applied Physics Letters 95).

What kind of current can a dime sized nuclear battery supply and at what voltage? All the article says is "useful" amounts of power.

by pmorici 17y ago

What kind of current can a dime sized nuclear battery supply and at what voltage? All the article says is "useful" amounts of power.

tigerthink 17y ago

The University of Missouri team says that the batteries hold a million times as much charge as standard batteries. Does that help?

bprater 17y ago
I suspect that is the duration of the charge and not the amount of power it can put out at any given moment.
m_eiman 17y ago
No, that says nothing about the current and voltage. It could trickle out a teensy bit of current for a very long time, which wouldn't be useful for e.g. a laptop.
pmorici 17y ago
I don't think it does... ...charge is more like the total energy stored in the battery. Amps and Volts will tell you how fast that power can be used. A battery can have a million times the charge but if it can only release that charge over 100 billion years then it isn't going to be able to power small electronics, like cell phones for example.
drhodes 17y ago
I believe "a million times as much charge" refers to the total energy content in Joules. The parent was referring to voltage. The original press release from missouri.edu: http://munews.missouri.edu/news-releases/2009/1007-mu-researchers-create-smaller-and-more-efficient-nuclear-battery/ http://munews.missouri.edu/news-releases/2009/1007-mu-resear... It references a published paper (likely behind a pay wall), otherwise the content is almost identical to the original link.

pmorici 17y ago

I found this company, http://www.betabatt.com/index.html http://www.betabatt.com/index.html BetaBatt that makes nuclear powered batteries. They don't give the amps or volts either but, it does say, "[beta batteries can be] Paired with chemical batteries for high current, limited duty cycle applications BetaBatteriesTM increase shelf life and ensure readiness by acting as a trickle charger, thus enhancing capability, reliability and useful life." In other words this dime sized battery probably doesn't have enough current to power electronics continuously w/o some help.

ramchip 17y ago

I have access to the paper. The device is interesting, but as usual journalists want to inflate the balloon some more... They report a maximum of 16.2nW, open-circuit voltage of 899mV, short-circuit of 107.4nA. To give hackers a reference, in its current state, you'd need something like 50,000 of them to power a single 0.85mW Arduino chip. In the U of Missouri article they say "The radioisotope battery can provide power density that is six orders of magnitude higher than chemical batteries", but as far as I can see from the article they're not talking about their own battery; it's a general statement quoted from an old paper (F.K.Manasse,J.J.Pinajian,and A.N.Tse, IEEETrans.Nucl.Sci. 23,8601976). The article in question is "Radioisotope microbattery based on liquid semiconductor" (Applied Physics Letters 95).