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This is new to me, thanks for pointing it out. That said, this doesn't mean marijuana needs to be recreationally legalized; in the US it would only need to be

by tedks 12y ago

This is new to me, thanks for pointing it out. That said, this doesn't mean marijuana needs to be recreationally legalized; in the US it would only need to be made a Schedule II drug rather than a Schedule I drug. Cocaine is a Schedule II drug IIRC, and it's routinely used medically, so it doesn't make sense to have recreational legality, or tolerance of widespread use, just to get medical benefits. For virtually every cause, there are groups "working heavily behind the scenes for decades" -- the existence of activist pressure doesn't seem to correlate with policy change. I'd love to see hard data disagreeing with me, but this is my impression from being an activist for some time, and knowing the histories of social change for various struggles.

EpicEng 12y ago
Yet it does make sense to stop arresting people for recreational use of one of the most benign drugs we know of. Marijuana does not wreck homes, it does not kill people, and it does not cause societal problems. It is easy to use responsibly and does little more than make you feel a bit giddy. If you disagree with that then I daresay you haven't ever tried it.
- tedks 12y ago
  I don't disagree with it; I just think it's suspicious that people are publicly acknowledging that now rather than at any other time. That said, marijuana is certainly less benign than you're making it out to be. I know several people who started using marijuana in high school and became interested in basically nothing else. Anything can become addictive, but biological components that have tolerance factors are especially effective because they cause you to increase your dosage over time. It's not like doctors in the 60's thought that marijuana was actually lethal, though. The propaganda about marijuana has been divorced from truth basically the whole time, but it's been scheduled anyway. I find it hard to believe that this is simply a miracle story of the long work of activists finally paying off. There are no free lunches. If we're getting legal marijuana, we're losing something else. So what is that? Well, what else are we losing?
  - thizzbuzz 12y ago
    > If we're getting legal marijuana, we're losing something else. This doesn't follow at all. The downside to legalization of all recreational drugs is minuscule compared to the societal benefit.
  - EpicEng 12y ago
    I knew more than a few people like that myself. Now, I'm about to stray into the realm of anecdote, so take this with a grain of salt, but I knew these people well (I was one of them) and, honestly, if they didn't have weed to smoke they would have found something else to waste their time with. I'm not trying to say that this is true across the board, but i do find it hard to believe that people who are inherently driven and intelligent can be radically changed by something like pot. Besides, the current laws are not stopping people from doing it. Most know that weed is something which can be enjoyed recreationaly without risking their health or lifestyle. It doesn't hurt anyone around them, so current law is viewed as arcane and unjust. What benefit are these laws providing to society?

by tedks 12y ago

EpicEng 12y ago

Yet it does make sense to stop arresting people for recreational use of one of the most benign drugs we know of. Marijuana does not wreck homes, it does not kill people, and it does not cause societal problems. It is easy to use responsibly and does little more than make you feel a bit giddy. If you disagree with that then I daresay you haven't ever tried it.

tedks 12y ago
I don't disagree with it; I just think it's suspicious that people are publicly acknowledging that now rather than at any other time. That said, marijuana is certainly less benign than you're making it out to be. I know several people who started using marijuana in high school and became interested in basically nothing else. Anything can become addictive, but biological components that have tolerance factors are especially effective because they cause you to increase your dosage over time. It's not like doctors in the 60's thought that marijuana was actually lethal, though. The propaganda about marijuana has been divorced from truth basically the whole time, but it's been scheduled anyway. I find it hard to believe that this is simply a miracle story of the long work of activists finally paying off. There are no free lunches. If we're getting legal marijuana, we're losing something else. So what is that? Well, what else are we losing?
- thizzbuzz 12y ago
  > If we're getting legal marijuana, we're losing something else. This doesn't follow at all. The downside to legalization of all recreational drugs is minuscule compared to the societal benefit.
- EpicEng 12y ago
  I knew more than a few people like that myself. Now, I'm about to stray into the realm of anecdote, so take this with a grain of salt, but I knew these people well (I was one of them) and, honestly, if they didn't have weed to smoke they would have found something else to waste their time with. I'm not trying to say that this is true across the board, but i do find it hard to believe that people who are inherently driven and intelligent can be radically changed by something like pot. Besides, the current laws are not stopping people from doing it. Most know that weed is something which can be enjoyed recreationaly without risking their health or lifestyle. It doesn't hurt anyone around them, so current law is viewed as arcane and unjust. What benefit are these laws providing to society?