5 ms·

I would argue that the problem of spam and hackers is a greater burden on society as a whole than someone in Iran not being able to get past a captcha.

scribu 12y ago
Yeah, seeing a few spam links on a website is much more burdensome than free speech!</sarcasm>
- unreal37 12y ago
  That's not what I was talking about at all. And tell me how a being forced to solve a captcha prevents free speech.
  - scribu 12y ago
    The problem that the GP was talking about wasn't being forced to solve a captcha, but of getting blacklisted before even being given a chance to solve it.
pavel_lishin 12y ago
Depends on what variables you're plugging into your moral calculus. Spam typically doesn't actually cause bodily harm, political repression, etc.
- unreal37 12y ago
  Spearfishing and hacking accounts does indeed cost some people their life savings and cause elderly people with semi-comfortable retirements to go into poverty. I think hackers do indeed cause society harm. It`s not just some email in a folder you never check.
probably_wrong 12y ago
I see where you are coming from, specially considering that spam makes up for a significant volume of the entire internet traffic. However, I'd think it wiser for one spammer to go free than for one person to be denied access to legitimate content. I'm often being denied access to free content because I'm accessing from the "wrong" countries, and that's infuriating. If I start being locked out of free content due to my privacy measures, I'm probably going to start setting buildings on fire.
- jobposter1234 12y ago
  Do you think content creators should not be able to control access based on their own criteria? Are you somehow "owed" access rights to free content?
  - barsonme 12y ago
    I'm not probably_wrong, so I can't speak for him/her. But while I believe content creators should be able to control access, I think it's ridiculous to ban certain countries from access to certain content -- I don't quite see the point. And also, being "owed" free content != being able to access free content you otherwise would be able to access were it not for a service like TOR or a VPN (e.g. escaping the Chinese firewall using a VPN service whose IP is banned from a website versus wanting to watch a movie but living in Germany instead of the U.S.)

scribu 12y ago

Yeah, seeing a few spam links on a website is much more burdensome than free speech!</sarcasm>

unreal37 12y ago
That's not what I was talking about at all. And tell me how a being forced to solve a captcha prevents free speech.
- scribu 12y ago
  The problem that the GP was talking about wasn't being forced to solve a captcha, but of getting blacklisted before even being given a chance to solve it.

pavel_lishin 12y ago

Depends on what variables you're plugging into your moral calculus. Spam typically doesn't actually cause bodily harm, political repression, etc.

unreal37 12y ago
Spearfishing and hacking accounts does indeed cost some people their life savings and cause elderly people with semi-comfortable retirements to go into poverty. I think hackers do indeed cause society harm. It`s not just some email in a folder you never check.

probably_wrong 12y ago

I see where you are coming from, specially considering that spam makes up for a significant volume of the entire internet traffic. However, I'd think it wiser for one spammer to go free than for one person to be denied access to legitimate content. I'm often being denied access to free content because I'm accessing from the "wrong" countries, and that's infuriating. If I start being locked out of free content due to my privacy measures, I'm probably going to start setting buildings on fire.

jobposter1234 12y ago
Do you think content creators should not be able to control access based on their own criteria? Are you somehow "owed" access rights to free content?
- barsonme 12y ago
  I'm not probably_wrong, so I can't speak for him/her. But while I believe content creators should be able to control access, I think it's ridiculous to ban certain countries from access to certain content -- I don't quite see the point. And also, being "owed" free content != being able to access free content you otherwise would be able to access were it not for a service like TOR or a VPN (e.g. escaping the Chinese firewall using a VPN service whose IP is banned from a website versus wanting to watch a movie but living in Germany instead of the U.S.)