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They still do the same type of thing. Glad I paid 930 dollars for a device I can only use with music from their store from one computer. edit: Those downvoting

by rnovak 12y ago

They still do the same type of thing. Glad I paid 930 dollars for a device I can only use with music from their store from one computer. edit: Those downvoting seem to be seriously hostile towards consumers. If people are giving you 700 dollar profits per sale, I think you should be a lot more upfront about your limitations. Hiding a disclaimer in fine print on a support page is just plain wrong.

SG- 12y ago
Ok, but you're completely wrong. It can play any mp3 or aac that doesn't have any DRM weather it's from Amazon, some other store or pirated.
- rnovak 12y ago
  Well, firstly, I believe Amazon music is DRM locked, the only way you can download it on an iPhone/iTouch is through their 'app', and you cant export it. Secondly, yah, that's true, if you only use one computer. If you're like any one of the millions of people who use more than one computer, the second you plug your iPhone/iTouch into a different computer, the only options you're given are to 1) Eject or 2) Erase. Considering what I spent on the iPhone, I should be able to do whatever I please, but that's clearly not the case.
  - SG- 12y ago
    I don't know if Amazon even uses DRM but if they do, how is that an Apple issue? Apple doesn't even use DRM for it's purchased content anymore. While I'm sure a small portion of the population has more than computer, I don't see why you'd need to sync your music on more than one. All the other data can be sync'd through iCloud (contacts, etc). Do you also see why that restriction might be in place? They don't want to let people plug it into anyone's computer and "share" all that music. I suppose with iCloud Drive now part of OSX you can just sync keep your music or iTunes folder in there and sync that.
    - rnovak 12y ago
      Why should the consumer ever be forced to jump through hoops to get something that they OWN to do what it should do out of the box? I didn't pay for a license, I paid for the device itself, far more than it costs them to Manufacture. BTW, the FTC and FCC stand by that fact every time they issue an injunction forcing carriers to unlock out of contract. Small portion? Seriously? in 2013 there were more than 500 MILLION internet connected devices in the US alone[1], spread out among 117 million households[2], but that's a small portion? [1]https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#newwindow=1&safe=off&q=number+of+us+households https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&e... [2]http://thenextweb.com/insider/2013/03/18/npd-us-homes-now-hold-over-500m-internet-connected-devices-with-apps-at-an-average-of-5-7-per-household/ http://thenextweb.com/insider/2013/03/18/npd-us-homes-now-ho...
      - SG- 12y ago
        An Internet connected device does not equal a computer, I'm pretty sure more people have a cellphone than a computer these days too. You have the means to sync and copy your music yourself around your own devices, there's nothing preventing you from doing that and as I mentioned it's getting easier with things like iCloud Drive now.
        rnovak 12y ago
        Okay, so even if 300 million of those are phones/tablets alone (which they aren't), that's still 200 million computers for 100 million households, and in my book 2 is still greater than 1. I'm honestly curious as to why you feel the need to treat consumers/customers like trash? I'm supposed to pay extra for iCloud drive because...reasons? Why is your opinion that anyone who does things differently than you wrong? Because that's what you and everyone else here has said.
        tedunangst 12y ago
        This conversation would probably go better if you didn't blame SG- personally for treating customers like trash.
  - veidr 12y ago
    Amazon music isn't broken/DRMed, and hasn't ever been. It is just standard MP3s, and I play them in iTunes all the time. It is (very marginally) more hassle to buy them from Amazon and then drag them into iTunes, but hey, it feels good to fight The Man. (Plus, albums are often $2 or $3 cheaper on Amazon than in the Apple music store.) EDIT: history of the DRM-free Amazon Music store: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amazon_Music http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amazon_Music
    - acomjean 12y ago
      I buy from itunes and Amazon (plain mp3s). The music downloader auto imports songs into itunes if you tell it too.
thejosh 12y ago
Apart from Spotify and other apps that can play Music?
- SG- 12y ago
  There's Amazon Music. I just searched briefly and saw quite a few music apps too.
JohnBooty 12y ago
This is absurdly untrue.
- rnovak 12y ago
  Proof? I can prove it in video, screenshots, anything. The second I plug my iPhone into my laptop, which is synced to my iTunes account, the only option I have is to erase all of my music. I love how people on HN blatantly just say "untrue". Really? I don't recall you being present during these experiences.
  - SG- 12y ago
    the comment you made was "Glad I paid 930 dollars for a device I can only use with music from their store from one computer". Maybe you want to reword that to "Glad I paid 930 dollars for a device that can only sync music from one of my computers but sync all the rest of my data across as many devices as I want".
    - rnovak 12y ago
      Yeah, my comment has nothing to do with data, it specifically says music. Maybe I should reword my comment to be "Glad I paid 930 dollars for a device that can only do what Apple's Business Analysts think is acceptable."
      - sbuk 12y ago
        Sell it and buy something else. You do have that choice...
  - mcphage 12y ago
    > The second I plug my iPhone into my laptop, which is synced to my iTunes account, the only option I have is to erase all of my music. There are two ways to set up an iOS device. One is to have it sync to a computer. This is what you have done. Yes, it's set to sync to a particular computer, and you can change that computer—but with this setup, the contents of the iOS device are just a copy of what's on the computer, so if you change the computer, it replaces the files on the device. Generally, it's not a great way to go, it's mostly a holdover from early iPod days. Second is to not have it sync to a computer. If you have more than one computer—or no computers with iTunes, this is a better idea. Honestly, there isn't really a good reason to plug the devices into a computer any more, except to charge. > I love how people on HN blatantly just say "untrue". Really? I don't recall you being present during these experiences. Why would we need to be present during for your experiences? We've all had our own experiences, where we've done what you claim is impossible.
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qmr 12y ago
Buy a different device?
pervycreeper 12y ago
>Those downvoting seem to be seriously hostile towards consumers. There are just lots of Apple fanbois on HN, nothing more than that.

by rnovak 12y ago

SG- 12y ago

Ok, but you're completely wrong. It can play any mp3 or aac that doesn't have any DRM weather it's from Amazon, some other store or pirated.

rnovak 12y ago
Well, firstly, I believe Amazon music is DRM locked, the only way you can download it on an iPhone/iTouch is through their 'app', and you cant export it. Secondly, yah, that's true, if you only use one computer. If you're like any one of the millions of people who use more than one computer, the second you plug your iPhone/iTouch into a different computer, the only options you're given are to 1) Eject or 2) Erase. Considering what I spent on the iPhone, I should be able to do whatever I please, but that's clearly not the case.
- SG- 12y ago
  I don't know if Amazon even uses DRM but if they do, how is that an Apple issue? Apple doesn't even use DRM for it's purchased content anymore. While I'm sure a small portion of the population has more than computer, I don't see why you'd need to sync your music on more than one. All the other data can be sync'd through iCloud (contacts, etc). Do you also see why that restriction might be in place? They don't want to let people plug it into anyone's computer and "share" all that music. I suppose with iCloud Drive now part of OSX you can just sync keep your music or iTunes folder in there and sync that.
  - rnovak 12y ago
    Why should the consumer ever be forced to jump through hoops to get something that they OWN to do what it should do out of the box? I didn't pay for a license, I paid for the device itself, far more than it costs them to Manufacture. BTW, the FTC and FCC stand by that fact every time they issue an injunction forcing carriers to unlock out of contract. Small portion? Seriously? in 2013 there were more than 500 MILLION internet connected devices in the US alone[1], spread out among 117 million households[2], but that's a small portion? [1]https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#newwindow=1&safe=off&q=number+of+us+households https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&e... [2]http://thenextweb.com/insider/2013/03/18/npd-us-homes-now-hold-over-500m-internet-connected-devices-with-apps-at-an-average-of-5-7-per-household/ http://thenextweb.com/insider/2013/03/18/npd-us-homes-now-ho...
    - SG- 12y ago
      An Internet connected device does not equal a computer, I'm pretty sure more people have a cellphone than a computer these days too. You have the means to sync and copy your music yourself around your own devices, there's nothing preventing you from doing that and as I mentioned it's getting easier with things like iCloud Drive now.
      - rnovak 12y ago
        Okay, so even if 300 million of those are phones/tablets alone (which they aren't), that's still 200 million computers for 100 million households, and in my book 2 is still greater than 1. I'm honestly curious as to why you feel the need to treat consumers/customers like trash? I'm supposed to pay extra for iCloud drive because...reasons? Why is your opinion that anyone who does things differently than you wrong? Because that's what you and everyone else here has said.
        tedunangst 12y ago
        This conversation would probably go better if you didn't blame SG- personally for treating customers like trash.
- veidr 12y ago
  Amazon music isn't broken/DRMed, and hasn't ever been. It is just standard MP3s, and I play them in iTunes all the time. It is (very marginally) more hassle to buy them from Amazon and then drag them into iTunes, but hey, it feels good to fight The Man. (Plus, albums are often $2 or $3 cheaper on Amazon than in the Apple music store.) EDIT: history of the DRM-free Amazon Music store: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amazon_Music http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amazon_Music
  - acomjean 12y ago
    I buy from itunes and Amazon (plain mp3s). The music downloader auto imports songs into itunes if you tell it too.

thejosh 12y ago

Apart from Spotify and other apps that can play Music?

SG- 12y ago
There's Amazon Music. I just searched briefly and saw quite a few music apps too.

JohnBooty 12y ago

This is absurdly untrue.

rnovak 12y ago
Proof? I can prove it in video, screenshots, anything. The second I plug my iPhone into my laptop, which is synced to my iTunes account, the only option I have is to erase all of my music. I love how people on HN blatantly just say "untrue". Really? I don't recall you being present during these experiences.
- SG- 12y ago
  the comment you made was "Glad I paid 930 dollars for a device I can only use with music from their store from one computer". Maybe you want to reword that to "Glad I paid 930 dollars for a device that can only sync music from one of my computers but sync all the rest of my data across as many devices as I want".
  - rnovak 12y ago
    Yeah, my comment has nothing to do with data, it specifically says music. Maybe I should reword my comment to be "Glad I paid 930 dollars for a device that can only do what Apple's Business Analysts think is acceptable."
    - sbuk 12y ago
      Sell it and buy something else. You do have that choice...
- mcphage 12y ago
  > The second I plug my iPhone into my laptop, which is synced to my iTunes account, the only option I have is to erase all of my music. There are two ways to set up an iOS device. One is to have it sync to a computer. This is what you have done. Yes, it's set to sync to a particular computer, and you can change that computer—but with this setup, the contents of the iOS device are just a copy of what's on the computer, so if you change the computer, it replaces the files on the device. Generally, it's not a great way to go, it's mostly a holdover from early iPod days. Second is to not have it sync to a computer. If you have more than one computer—or no computers with iTunes, this is a better idea. Honestly, there isn't really a good reason to plug the devices into a computer any more, except to charge. > I love how people on HN blatantly just say "untrue". Really? I don't recall you being present during these experiences. Why would we need to be present during for your experiences? We've all had our own experiences, where we've done what you claim is impossible.

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qmr 12y ago

Buy a different device?

pervycreeper 12y ago

>Those downvoting seem to be seriously hostile towards consumers. There are just lots of Apple fanbois on HN, nothing more than that.