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I can understand the frustration of losing a couple of days of work, but wow, that thread does not show Zed Shaw in a good light. This approach of "there was a

by Leszek 12y ago

I can understand the frustration of losing a couple of days of work, but wow, that thread does not show Zed Shaw in a good light. This approach of "there was a bug so now I'm throwing all my toys out of the pram" isn't particularly constructive or mature.

imanaccount247 12y ago
>that thread does not show Zed Shaw in a good light It seems that Zed Shaw does not show Zed Shaw in a good light. That behavior appears to be the only kind he displays. A single bug that did not delete anything and all his work can be recovered with a single undo command and he wants so badly to turn it into drama, while insisting he's the only reason their program exists.
- dalke 12y ago
  It deleted his uncommitted code.
e98cuenc 12y ago
I would have done exactly the same thing. He is using a SCM that deleted all its files due to a bug. He tried to recover its deleted files, and it seems the next commands utterly killed any hope of recovery. What was him supposed to do? keep in its mind perfectly the internal state of Fossil after an unknown bug to find which command, if any, could recover its files? I would have panicked, tried every command I could think of and started crying. After Fossil deleted its files he informs the maintainer of the bug, giving a clear description of what happened, and decides to switch to a more mainstream SCM. I don't get why you're giving him so much heat. He seems to me constructive (the bug was fixed) and mature (he went to a more mainstream SCM that is less likely to have some kind of "never seen before" bug while you just "make a branch").
- tedunangst 12y ago
  For next time: cd .. cp -R wrkdir backup cd wrkdir fossil dickitup
- Dewie 12y ago
  > What was him supposed to do? Use some automated backup tool that had nothing to do with fossil.
lloydde 12y ago
We are talking about Zed http://programming-motherfucker.com http://programming-motherfucker.com Shaw right?
- ifdefdebug 12y ago
  wow, for sure I won't wear that t-shirt, I'd be afraid to get myself killed by some myopic officer or something like that
xorcist 12y ago
Also the "if it wasn't for me you'd still be four guys on a toy project" quote. Doesn't seem to be connected to reality. I've heard of Fossil and sqlite, but never of Shaw, who apparently wasn't even a commiter.
- glass- 12y ago
  You have never heard of "Learn Python the Hard Way", the Mongrel server or "Rails is a Ghetto"?
- mercurial 12y ago
  He used to be important in the Ruby community as the author of Mongrel. But yeah, if it's not massively hyperbolic,it's not Zed Shaw.
- dalke 12y ago
  There's more to a project than being a commiter. Shaw promoted Fossil, and people (a lot of people have heard of Shaw) looked into Fossil and started using it because of him. In that same thread you'll see someone else on the list spoke up as being one of those people. That quote you gave is a reaction to the dismissive attitude that non-commiters are somehow second-class citizens; which you've just expressed. It's a bad way of thinking about people.

by Leszek 12y ago

imanaccount247 12y ago

>that thread does not show Zed Shaw in a good light It seems that Zed Shaw does not show Zed Shaw in a good light. That behavior appears to be the only kind he displays. A single bug that did not delete anything and all his work can be recovered with a single undo command and he wants so badly to turn it into drama, while insisting he's the only reason their program exists.

dalke 12y ago
It deleted his uncommitted code.

e98cuenc 12y ago

I would have done exactly the same thing. He is using a SCM that deleted all its files due to a bug. He tried to recover its deleted files, and it seems the next commands utterly killed any hope of recovery. What was him supposed to do? keep in its mind perfectly the internal state of Fossil after an unknown bug to find which command, if any, could recover its files? I would have panicked, tried every command I could think of and started crying. After Fossil deleted its files he informs the maintainer of the bug, giving a clear description of what happened, and decides to switch to a more mainstream SCM. I don't get why you're giving him so much heat. He seems to me constructive (the bug was fixed) and mature (he went to a more mainstream SCM that is less likely to have some kind of "never seen before" bug while you just "make a branch").

tedunangst 12y ago
For next time: cd .. cp -R wrkdir backup cd wrkdir fossil dickitup
Dewie 12y ago
> What was him supposed to do? Use some automated backup tool that had nothing to do with fossil.

lloydde 12y ago

We are talking about Zed http://programming-motherfucker.com http://programming-motherfucker.com Shaw right?

ifdefdebug 12y ago
wow, for sure I won't wear that t-shirt, I'd be afraid to get myself killed by some myopic officer or something like that

xorcist 12y ago

Also the "if it wasn't for me you'd still be four guys on a toy project" quote. Doesn't seem to be connected to reality. I've heard of Fossil and sqlite, but never of Shaw, who apparently wasn't even a commiter.

glass- 12y ago
You have never heard of "Learn Python the Hard Way", the Mongrel server or "Rails is a Ghetto"?
mercurial 12y ago
He used to be important in the Ruby community as the author of Mongrel. But yeah, if it's not massively hyperbolic,it's not Zed Shaw.
dalke 12y ago
There's more to a project than being a commiter. Shaw promoted Fossil, and people (a lot of people have heard of Shaw) looked into Fossil and started using it because of him. In that same thread you'll see someone else on the list spoke up as being one of those people. That quote you gave is a reaction to the dismissive attitude that non-commiters are somehow second-class citizens; which you've just expressed. It's a bad way of thinking about people.