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Zed Shaw uses Fossil in his Peepcode Play by Play episode. If you have a subscription to Peepcode (now Pluralsight[1]) you can listen to him talk about it and w

Zed Shaw uses Fossil in his Peepcode Play by Play episode. If you have a subscription to Peepcode (now Pluralsight[1]) you can listen to him talk about it and why he likes it. [1] http://www.pluralsight.com/ http://www.pluralsight.com/

crazydoggers 12y ago
And also why he stopped using it when it hosed his repo: http://www.mail-archive.com/fossil-users@lists.fossil-scm.org/msg04671.html http://www.mail-archive.com/fossil-users@lists.fossil-scm.or...
- sigzero 12y ago
  It did or he did?
  - isxek 12y ago
    There was a previous bug, and it was fixed then, but Zed decided eventually he can't afford to have it happen again (after losing 3 days of work) so he switched to Git. Richard Hipp (Fossil's author) was able to reconstruct what happened, more or less, here: http://www.mail-archive.com/fossil-users@lists.fossil-scm.org/msg04699.html http://www.mail-archive.com/fossil-users@lists.fossil-scm.or...
- Leszek 12y ago
  I can understand the frustration of losing a couple of days of work, but wow, that thread does not show Zed Shaw in a good light. This approach of "there was a bug so now I'm throwing all my toys out of the pram" isn't particularly constructive or mature.
  - imanaccount247 12y ago
    >that thread does not show Zed Shaw in a good light It seems that Zed Shaw does not show Zed Shaw in a good light. That behavior appears to be the only kind he displays. A single bug that did not delete anything and all his work can be recovered with a single undo command and he wants so badly to turn it into drama, while insisting he's the only reason their program exists.
    - dalke 12y ago
      It deleted his uncommitted code.
  - e98cuenc 12y ago
    I would have done exactly the same thing. He is using a SCM that deleted all its files due to a bug. He tried to recover its deleted files, and it seems the next commands utterly killed any hope of recovery. What was him supposed to do? keep in its mind perfectly the internal state of Fossil after an unknown bug to find which command, if any, could recover its files? I would have panicked, tried every command I could think of and started crying. After Fossil deleted its files he informs the maintainer of the bug, giving a clear description of what happened, and decides to switch to a more mainstream SCM. I don't get why you're giving him so much heat. He seems to me constructive (the bug was fixed) and mature (he went to a more mainstream SCM that is less likely to have some kind of "never seen before" bug while you just "make a branch").
    - tedunangst 12y ago
      For next time: cd .. cp -R wrkdir backup cd wrkdir fossil dickitup
    - Dewie 12y ago
      > What was him supposed to do? Use some automated backup tool that had nothing to do with fossil.
  - lloydde 12y ago
    We are talking about Zed http://programming-motherfucker.com http://programming-motherfucker.com Shaw right?
    - ifdefdebug 12y ago
      wow, for sure I won't wear that t-shirt, I'd be afraid to get myself killed by some myopic officer or something like that
  - xorcist 12y ago
    Also the "if it wasn't for me you'd still be four guys on a toy project" quote. Doesn't seem to be connected to reality. I've heard of Fossil and sqlite, but never of Shaw, who apparently wasn't even a commiter.
    - glass- 12y ago
      You have never heard of "Learn Python the Hard Way", the Mongrel server or "Rails is a Ghetto"?
    - mercurial 12y ago
      He used to be important in the Ruby community as the author of Mongrel. But yeah, if it's not massively hyperbolic,it's not Zed Shaw.
    - dalke 12y ago
      There's more to a project than being a commiter. Shaw promoted Fossil, and people (a lot of people have heard of Shaw) looked into Fossil and started using it because of him. In that same thread you'll see someone else on the list spoke up as being one of those people. That quote you gave is a reaction to the dismissive attitude that non-commiters are somehow second-class citizens; which you've just expressed. It's a bad way of thinking about people.
- jemfinch 12y ago
  Wow, Richard Hipp is a class act: http://www.mail-archive.com/fossil-users@lists.fossil-scm.org/msg04677.html http://www.mail-archive.com/fossil-users@lists.fossil-scm.or... > "fossil export | git fast-import" will get your stuff moved over efficiently. Thanks for hanging out with us. I expect you might come back to fossil someday, and if you do you will be welcomed.
  - reitanqild 12y ago
    Zeds reply is interesting as well: Yep, that feature is awesome. :-) And yes, I think if it you come to me and say it's all stable now then I'd easily give it a try, but I have to be practical and get shit done. In other words, it's nothing personal, just business.
  - Dewie 12y ago
    A disgruntled Zed Shaw must be how you battle test people's tact and composure.
- sgbeal 12y ago
  "...complex sql to remove a spam ticket..." that was very possible the reason for his woes. Do not EVER manually edit the fossil repo db. That's like hex-editing an MS Word Doc.
aidenn0 12y ago
Though see also: https://web.archive.org/web/20111008041308/http://sheddingbikes.com/posts/1306005291.html https://web.archive.org/web/20111008041308/http://sheddingbi...

crazydoggers 12y ago

And also why he stopped using it when it hosed his repo: http://www.mail-archive.com/fossil-users@lists.fossil-scm.org/msg04671.html http://www.mail-archive.com/fossil-users@lists.fossil-scm.or...

sigzero 12y ago
It did or he did?
- isxek 12y ago
  There was a previous bug, and it was fixed then, but Zed decided eventually he can't afford to have it happen again (after losing 3 days of work) so he switched to Git. Richard Hipp (Fossil's author) was able to reconstruct what happened, more or less, here: http://www.mail-archive.com/fossil-users@lists.fossil-scm.org/msg04699.html http://www.mail-archive.com/fossil-users@lists.fossil-scm.or...
Leszek 12y ago
I can understand the frustration of losing a couple of days of work, but wow, that thread does not show Zed Shaw in a good light. This approach of "there was a bug so now I'm throwing all my toys out of the pram" isn't particularly constructive or mature.
- imanaccount247 12y ago
  >that thread does not show Zed Shaw in a good light It seems that Zed Shaw does not show Zed Shaw in a good light. That behavior appears to be the only kind he displays. A single bug that did not delete anything and all his work can be recovered with a single undo command and he wants so badly to turn it into drama, while insisting he's the only reason their program exists.
  - dalke 12y ago
    It deleted his uncommitted code.
- e98cuenc 12y ago
  I would have done exactly the same thing. He is using a SCM that deleted all its files due to a bug. He tried to recover its deleted files, and it seems the next commands utterly killed any hope of recovery. What was him supposed to do? keep in its mind perfectly the internal state of Fossil after an unknown bug to find which command, if any, could recover its files? I would have panicked, tried every command I could think of and started crying. After Fossil deleted its files he informs the maintainer of the bug, giving a clear description of what happened, and decides to switch to a more mainstream SCM. I don't get why you're giving him so much heat. He seems to me constructive (the bug was fixed) and mature (he went to a more mainstream SCM that is less likely to have some kind of "never seen before" bug while you just "make a branch").
  - tedunangst 12y ago
    For next time: cd .. cp -R wrkdir backup cd wrkdir fossil dickitup
  - Dewie 12y ago
    > What was him supposed to do? Use some automated backup tool that had nothing to do with fossil.
- lloydde 12y ago
  We are talking about Zed http://programming-motherfucker.com http://programming-motherfucker.com Shaw right?
  - ifdefdebug 12y ago
    wow, for sure I won't wear that t-shirt, I'd be afraid to get myself killed by some myopic officer or something like that
- xorcist 12y ago
  Also the "if it wasn't for me you'd still be four guys on a toy project" quote. Doesn't seem to be connected to reality. I've heard of Fossil and sqlite, but never of Shaw, who apparently wasn't even a commiter.
  - glass- 12y ago
    You have never heard of "Learn Python the Hard Way", the Mongrel server or "Rails is a Ghetto"?
  - mercurial 12y ago
    He used to be important in the Ruby community as the author of Mongrel. But yeah, if it's not massively hyperbolic,it's not Zed Shaw.
  - dalke 12y ago
    There's more to a project than being a commiter. Shaw promoted Fossil, and people (a lot of people have heard of Shaw) looked into Fossil and started using it because of him. In that same thread you'll see someone else on the list spoke up as being one of those people. That quote you gave is a reaction to the dismissive attitude that non-commiters are somehow second-class citizens; which you've just expressed. It's a bad way of thinking about people.
jemfinch 12y ago
Wow, Richard Hipp is a class act: http://www.mail-archive.com/fossil-users@lists.fossil-scm.org/msg04677.html http://www.mail-archive.com/fossil-users@lists.fossil-scm.or... > "fossil export | git fast-import" will get your stuff moved over efficiently. Thanks for hanging out with us. I expect you might come back to fossil someday, and if you do you will be welcomed.
- reitanqild 12y ago
  Zeds reply is interesting as well: Yep, that feature is awesome. :-) And yes, I think if it you come to me and say it's all stable now then I'd easily give it a try, but I have to be practical and get shit done. In other words, it's nothing personal, just business.
- Dewie 12y ago
  A disgruntled Zed Shaw must be how you battle test people's tact and composure.
sgbeal 12y ago
"...complex sql to remove a spam ticket..." that was very possible the reason for his woes. Do not EVER manually edit the fossil repo db. That's like hex-editing an MS Word Doc.

aidenn0 12y ago

Though see also: https://web.archive.org/web/20111008041308/http://sheddingbikes.com/posts/1306005291.html https://web.archive.org/web/20111008041308/http://sheddingbi...