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>A similar misconception is "I need glucose therefore I should eat sugar" . That's not a misconception, it is reality. It is amazing how many people on HN rea

>A similar misconception is "I need glucose therefore I should eat sugar" . That's not a misconception, it is reality. It is amazing how many people on HN really hate science. Diabetics are told to eat juice or candy when their blood sugar is low for a reason. >The most stable way to supply blood glucose is by eating fat That is also too slow to be of any use.

lukifer 12y ago
> It is amazing how many people on HN really hate science. Counterpoint: medical science is insanely difficult and expensive, due to individual variations in genetics and lifestyle, and the huge number of variables that it is effectively impossible to completely control for. This leads to research that is tainted by the incentives of those agents that afford the expense, and results that tend to be correlation more often than causation. That's not to say that we should ignore the science we do have; rather, we shouldn't fall into the trap of assuming we can model biology as precisely as astrophysics. Sometimes the illusion of knowledge is more dangerous than ignorance.
- imanaccount247 12y ago
  None of that justifies what amounts to "gravity don't real" being posted here constantly when it comes to anything remotely related to nutrition. Biochemistry is a real science. We know what we're doing. "I want to pretend fad diet salesmen are equal to scientists" is not reasonable.
bcheung 12y ago
Energy generation is much more efficient once you go through ketoadaptation. It involves fatigue like symptoms that can last up to several weeks during the transition though. But once you go through it, you feel quite amazing.
dang 12y ago
> It is amazing how many people on HN really hate science Inflammatory language like this (as well as in https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8696794 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8696794, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8696817 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8696817, and other comments you've posted) adds to the problem. Assuming you're 100% correct on facts, railing against perceived idiots merely impedes the communication of the facts. It discredits your arguments, and it poisons the discourse. We all need to edit this kind of thing out of the comments we post to HN.
bigtunacan 12y ago
I'm a Type 1 diabetic. No one in the medical field, and run I've run in to my fair share of idiots along the way, has ever told me to "eat candy" when my blood sugar is low. The medical advice is that I should ALWAYS keep glucose on my person in a liquid or tablet form in case of a low blood sugar as these will bring blood sugar back up the quickest. If I do not have glucose on my person then I'm advised to drink anything that is "liquid sugar" - juice, pop, milk (lactose) because it raises the blood sugar quickly. But you need to consider this is because our bodies are DEFECTIVE. When my blood sugar goes to 30 (been there, done that) I need a blood sugar spike RIGHT NOW. And by right now I mean before I pass out, slip into a coma, and DIE. So when I am presented with a number so low that I am about to be seriously fucked, and I don't have my tablets with me, I'll eat every fucking carbohydrate in sight because a high blood sugar might kill me in 20+ years, but a low can kill me right now. Outside of potentially LIFE THREATENING low blood sugar levels diabetics are encouraged to try to stay away from foods that fall into the high glycemic index categroy. This is because they raise blood sugar fast, and then they crash back down just as fast. This is what most of us diabetics refer to as the "Roller Coaster"; and we do not like coasters. http://www.diabetes.org/food-and-fitness/food/what-can-i-eat/understanding-carbohydrates/glycemic-index-and-diabetes.html http://www.diabetes.org/food-and-fitness/food/what-can-i-eat... The really great thing about healthy non-diabetics is your body is really good at self regulation, so your "lows" will likely never go below 70 (e.g. Not dangerous), and even after gorging yourself on an entire pizza and chasing it with a 2 liter bottle of Code Red Mountain Dew your body will still keep your blood sugar maxed at an also healthy 100. So please don't talk like you understand diabetic science or that it in anyway relates to normal, healthy functioning adults. It is the equivalent of trying to say that someone without cancer should get chemo, because it helps people with cancer. It's not like you are going to pass out and die or possibly have your blood turn into acid and poison you to death (yes this is a real risk for a Type 1 diabetic http://www.diabetes.org/living-with-diabetes/complications/ketoacidosis-dka.html http://www.diabetes.org/living-with-diabetes/complications/k... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketoacidosis http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketoacidosis)
- imanaccount247 12y ago
  >I'm a Type 1 diabetic Me too. >So please don't talk like you understand diabetic science Please don't be a condescending prat when what I said is 100% accurate. Diabetics are allowed to eat sugar, and research indicates that the source of carbs really doesn't matter: http://www.diabetes.org/food-and-fitness/food/what-can-i-eat/understanding-carbohydrates/sugar-and-desserts.html http://www.diabetes.org/food-and-fitness/food/what-can-i-eat... Commonly used and recommended sources of sugar to treat hypoglycemia in diabetics include fruit, soda, juice, candy, sugar, honey and skim milk: http://www.diabetes.org/living-with-diabetes/treatment-and-care/blood-glucose-control/hypoglycemia-low-blood.html http://www.diabetes.org/living-with-diabetes/treatment-and-c...

lukifer 12y ago

> It is amazing how many people on HN really hate science. Counterpoint: medical science is insanely difficult and expensive, due to individual variations in genetics and lifestyle, and the huge number of variables that it is effectively impossible to completely control for. This leads to research that is tainted by the incentives of those agents that afford the expense, and results that tend to be correlation more often than causation. That's not to say that we should ignore the science we do have; rather, we shouldn't fall into the trap of assuming we can model biology as precisely as astrophysics. Sometimes the illusion of knowledge is more dangerous than ignorance.

imanaccount247 12y ago
None of that justifies what amounts to "gravity don't real" being posted here constantly when it comes to anything remotely related to nutrition. Biochemistry is a real science. We know what we're doing. "I want to pretend fad diet salesmen are equal to scientists" is not reasonable.

bcheung 12y ago

Energy generation is much more efficient once you go through ketoadaptation. It involves fatigue like symptoms that can last up to several weeks during the transition though. But once you go through it, you feel quite amazing.

dang 12y ago

> It is amazing how many people on HN really hate science Inflammatory language like this (as well as in https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8696794 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8696794, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8696817 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8696817, and other comments you've posted) adds to the problem. Assuming you're 100% correct on facts, railing against perceived idiots merely impedes the communication of the facts. It discredits your arguments, and it poisons the discourse. We all need to edit this kind of thing out of the comments we post to HN.

bigtunacan 12y ago

I'm a Type 1 diabetic. No one in the medical field, and run I've run in to my fair share of idiots along the way, has ever told me to "eat candy" when my blood sugar is low. The medical advice is that I should ALWAYS keep glucose on my person in a liquid or tablet form in case of a low blood sugar as these will bring blood sugar back up the quickest. If I do not have glucose on my person then I'm advised to drink anything that is "liquid sugar" - juice, pop, milk (lactose) because it raises the blood sugar quickly. But you need to consider this is because our bodies are DEFECTIVE. When my blood sugar goes to 30 (been there, done that) I need a blood sugar spike RIGHT NOW. And by right now I mean before I pass out, slip into a coma, and DIE. So when I am presented with a number so low that I am about to be seriously fucked, and I don't have my tablets with me, I'll eat every fucking carbohydrate in sight because a high blood sugar might kill me in 20+ years, but a low can kill me right now. Outside of potentially LIFE THREATENING low blood sugar levels diabetics are encouraged to try to stay away from foods that fall into the high glycemic index categroy. This is because they raise blood sugar fast, and then they crash back down just as fast. This is what most of us diabetics refer to as the "Roller Coaster"; and we do not like coasters. http://www.diabetes.org/food-and-fitness/food/what-can-i-eat/understanding-carbohydrates/glycemic-index-and-diabetes.html http://www.diabetes.org/food-and-fitness/food/what-can-i-eat... The really great thing about healthy non-diabetics is your body is really good at self regulation, so your "lows" will likely never go below 70 (e.g. Not dangerous), and even after gorging yourself on an entire pizza and chasing it with a 2 liter bottle of Code Red Mountain Dew your body will still keep your blood sugar maxed at an also healthy 100. So please don't talk like you understand diabetic science or that it in anyway relates to normal, healthy functioning adults. It is the equivalent of trying to say that someone without cancer should get chemo, because it helps people with cancer. It's not like you are going to pass out and die or possibly have your blood turn into acid and poison you to death (yes this is a real risk for a Type 1 diabetic http://www.diabetes.org/living-with-diabetes/complications/ketoacidosis-dka.html http://www.diabetes.org/living-with-diabetes/complications/k... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketoacidosis http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketoacidosis)

imanaccount247 12y ago
>I'm a Type 1 diabetic Me too. >So please don't talk like you understand diabetic science Please don't be a condescending prat when what I said is 100% accurate. Diabetics are allowed to eat sugar, and research indicates that the source of carbs really doesn't matter: http://www.diabetes.org/food-and-fitness/food/what-can-i-eat/understanding-carbohydrates/sugar-and-desserts.html http://www.diabetes.org/food-and-fitness/food/what-can-i-eat... Commonly used and recommended sources of sugar to treat hypoglycemia in diabetics include fruit, soda, juice, candy, sugar, honey and skim milk: http://www.diabetes.org/living-with-diabetes/treatment-and-care/blood-glucose-control/hypoglycemia-low-blood.html http://www.diabetes.org/living-with-diabetes/treatment-and-c...