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CS creates computer scientists. It doesn't necessarily make good programmers. You can't compare this to CS. The model in a year-long bootcamp (which is what th

CS creates computer scientists. It doesn't necessarily make good programmers. You can't compare this to CS. The model in a year-long bootcamp (which is what this is) is vastly more expensive to operate than classic CS education. Being in this business, I think you'd be surprised by the numbers. They're probably barely breaking even at that tuition amount.

WhitneyLand 12y ago
>>CS creates computer scientists. It doesn't necessarily make good programmers. This is making the line between theory and practice too bright, there's actually quite a bit of overlap. By 19 I was already working as a dev at a game studio you would know well and made a difficult decision to leave and do a CS degree. It was incredibly worthwhile in my case, and I rely on theory and foundations learned all the time in the real world. The point is yes you can get a job without a degree but in some cases you will never be quite as strong without investing in that foundation.
- peferron 12y ago
  You make it sound like what matters most is not actually studying CS but getting a CS degree. Is there something special about getting a degree that would cause a programmer to "never be quite as strong" if they studied CS but not for a degree, for example outside of the traditional college system? Most of the science seems to be freely available, if one is willing to put in the effort needed to learn it without the assistance of a professor.
  - clay_to_n 12y ago
    Yes, there is great quality content available free and online. But it is incredibly rare for some to get a CS level education from it, because it's not something you can easily do part time. Even if you just try to learn the materials from core CS classes I've taken, that's a few textbooks, a few large projects, and a LOT of hours of studying and work. College lets you get that done all at once - if I tried to give myself a "CS education" while having a full time job, I am pretty confident I would have failed. It certainly couldn't come in just a few years.
serge2k 12y ago
True, but Waterloo in particular is known for having a great coop program and producing people who know their stuff.

WhitneyLand 12y ago

>>CS creates computer scientists. It doesn't necessarily make good programmers. This is making the line between theory and practice too bright, there's actually quite a bit of overlap. By 19 I was already working as a dev at a game studio you would know well and made a difficult decision to leave and do a CS degree. It was incredibly worthwhile in my case, and I rely on theory and foundations learned all the time in the real world. The point is yes you can get a job without a degree but in some cases you will never be quite as strong without investing in that foundation.

peferron 12y ago
You make it sound like what matters most is not actually studying CS but getting a CS degree. Is there something special about getting a degree that would cause a programmer to "never be quite as strong" if they studied CS but not for a degree, for example outside of the traditional college system? Most of the science seems to be freely available, if one is willing to put in the effort needed to learn it without the assistance of a professor.
- clay_to_n 12y ago
  Yes, there is great quality content available free and online. But it is incredibly rare for some to get a CS level education from it, because it's not something you can easily do part time. Even if you just try to learn the materials from core CS classes I've taken, that's a few textbooks, a few large projects, and a LOT of hours of studying and work. College lets you get that done all at once - if I tried to give myself a "CS education" while having a full time job, I am pretty confident I would have failed. It certainly couldn't come in just a few years.

serge2k 12y ago

True, but Waterloo in particular is known for having a great coop program and producing people who know their stuff.