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You sure about those figures? Last I knew they were pushing through legislation about tobacco based on the premise that it was costing the UK too much in health

You sure about those figures? Last I knew they were pushing through legislation about tobacco based on the premise that it was costing the UK too much in healthcare. What is your source? I and others like me have a problem with people like you who do not understand the principle of true charity. No strings attached. Sure I agree that we need to improve the way we provide some of our benefits, there are probably too many people on incapacity benefit suggesting some (many?) of these are fraudulent cases. However where we appear to differ is that in principle I have no problem for a single parent or someone else with "problems" being able to claim benefit. I'm happy to have some false positives if we can help positive positives. I'm lucky with my life, other people need a hand. It is not my place to morally assert how they should lead their lives. I'm also puzzled how you think means testing is unfair. Those who have, have. Those who haven't get given. Do you appreciate what would happen to crime figures if the dole was abolished?

gaius 17y ago
and others like me have a problem with people like you who do not understand the principle of true charity True charity doesn't involve coercing the donor - and the donor is free to switch their donation to another charity that does a better job! I'm also puzzled how you think means testing is unfair Because it punishes those who do the right thing: work hard, pay your taxes, save what you can, get nothing. And yet those (note that I said this in my earlier comment - you seem to have overlooked that rather crucial qualifier) choose not to contribute, get everything handed to them on a silver platter. It's easy enough to implement this: anyone who leaves their free education without some qualifications needs to work for X years before they are entitled to anything further from the taxpayer. Those who have, have Ermm, no, those who work hard, earn. Those who don't, take.

gaius 17y ago

and others like me have a problem with people like you who do not understand the principle of true charity True charity doesn't involve coercing the donor - and the donor is free to switch their donation to another charity that does a better job! I'm also puzzled how you think means testing is unfair Because it punishes those who do the right thing: work hard, pay your taxes, save what you can, get nothing. And yet those (note that I said this in my earlier comment - you seem to have overlooked that rather crucial qualifier) choose not to contribute, get everything handed to them on a silver platter. It's easy enough to implement this: anyone who leaves their free education without some qualifications needs to work for X years before they are entitled to anything further from the taxpayer. Those who have, have Ermm, no, those who work hard, earn. Those who don't, take.