Yup. Java as a runtime is a really nice piece of technology, Java as a language is pretty good, if a bit dry. It is the heavy-weight anti-YAGNI ecosystems tha

Yup. Java as a runtime is a really nice piece of technology, Java as a language is pretty good, if a bit dry. It is the heavy-weight anti-YAGNI ecosystems that grow around it (the AbstractFactoryFactoryManager APIs that these Java shop cultures tend to produce) that makes working with Java suck, in my experience. And yes, that stuff can be avoided if you aren't stuck working on a maintenance project and you are really careful to smash down any signs of that sort of culture growing when you see it.